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Mr. Eakins, one registry already has a 60 minute hunt, I dont see how it can hurt us. That registry is really thriving. But, I do not like the one hr. hunts but, anything to help attendance I'm for it. No one is whinning about the 2 hr. hunts, this is just a poll. Hey, I still hunt the 2 hr. hunts. I think the 90 minute hunt would benefit is all im saying. Maybe it would bring out a few more hunters to help ukc and our clubs.

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A 90 minute or even a sixty minute format, used on the weekdays, monday -thursday. I have been pushing for it for the last 4-5 years. I'm just not sure there is enough want to change in places that count. We need it. A man/woman has has to work nights, or any type of shift work is left behind. It would be a very welcome and needed change in my opinion.

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walkerdog I know one reg. has one hour hunts. joined that reg. when it was call PCA back in the 80's, I'm not a "newbe" to this stuff, support what they do over there but I am not a fan of making it easier for a guy to champion a dog out period. To D--- many " Champions" now been made the easy way.

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walkerdog I know one reg. has one hour hunts. joined that reg. when it was call PCA back in the 80's, I'm not a "newbe" to this stuff, support what they do over there but I am not a fan of making it easier for a guy to champion a dog out period. To D--- many " Champions" now been made the easy way.

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I personally like the idea of 1 hr hunts during the week. I think it would help get more people involved such as retired people. I work a month on and a month and already miss half the hunts as it is. Plus when I'm home family comes first such as kids ball games etc. I would deffently go them. I understand and believe that 60 minutes is rather short, but most clubs also hold pkc hunts during the week any way. Also I think that mostly club members would attend them, which I think is a good thing. It'd help build a stronger relationship with club members and provide a little more relaxed atmosphere. One of my biggest problems with competition hunts is the jealousy they create which leads to cheating etc. I think people get to caught up in earning titles. I'm all for putting sportsmanship back on the front burner. Anything that will help us get more people especially youth involved should be greatly considered. Whether it's 1hr hunts, or the use of garmins. If everybody played fair it wouldn't make a difference if the hunt lasted 1 or 3 hrs or if the garmins were used. JMO not worth much! Lol great topic!

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from pass experince,3hr.hunts was too long,between time out and moving to different woods,,deadline would be between 3 and 4 am.
and man when u where done,u was sooo''sleepy,it was unsafe to drive.
u get this sleepy drunk effect,that was dangerous to our fellow hunters.
2hrs,is a litte tuff,but not that bad,u was still good to drive back home
,And,All of You know what Im Talking about.
Now,60 min hunts is for wk day pkc.but 2 hr.hunt on wk ends,unless all agree on 1 hr.

but as far as,to weed out all the quick dogs,and **** eaters,on a 3 hr.hunt is just plain silly.
cause if u got a fast dog that can strike and get in there quick,and tree that coon,isnt gonna make less a dog in a 3 hr. hunt.
that is plain crock,but might give a slow dog to catch up,if fast dog makes mistakes.but then slow dogmight also make mistakes and still be behind,come on u guys,this is all croc.

Now,as far as pkc.I no it has totally messed up all breeds as far as coondogs ability to tree coon.Cause in all other registrys,u have to tree coon,and in PKC.,is the only hunt that u can win 25 GRAND.and the mutt dont have to tree a coon,WOW,think about it??????
this registry ott to be open for all breeds not just coon dogs,house dogs beagles,bird dogs,,sadd""""

Now if u wanna change something in UKC.This is my proposal.
Once your dog makes night champion.
all nite champions,hunt 1 hr.if theres 2 cast or more,and if not,they hunt 2 hrs.now the reson for this is.Is so the nite chamions,can hunt off there win agaist the other cast winner.for nite champion that nite.
Now how u like those beans.u talking about finnishing a dog faster?

60 min,and 90 mins,is too short of time,cause cast get into bad woods,cause they have to depend on guides,and some dont have good woods,or there hunted out.so 2 hr,gives a little more balance toward all hunters to hit some different woods with better luck,ofr there hounds.
My.opinon.HMMMM.

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No one wants the two hour hunts done away with just add some one hour hunts through the week some KC's hould doubel headers on the week end two one hour hunts same night same club half the gas and two wins if your lucky

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Now that last post is purt funny.talkin bout pkc sh;t eaters i have hunted both inhave seen more nice dogs hunting pkc then ukc.ukc mostly bucket dogs.thatbstill miss the (coon) i havent hunted but one timebin pkc on buckets and saw more coon.itsblike this onewaybor the other they will be a winner justlike nascar football basketball etc.pkc to alot of usbisblime the nascar of ciondawgs period.not just a weekend warrior thing.NUFF SAID and gd luck yall with ya 3hr hunt

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Now that last post is purt funny.talkin bout pkc sh;t eaters i have hunted both inhave seen more nice dogs hunting pkc then ukc.ukc mostly bucket dogs.thatbstill miss the (coon) i havent hunted but one timebin pkc on buckets and saw more coon.itsblike this onewaybor the other they will be a winner justlike nascar football basketball etc.pkc to alot of usbisblime the nascar of ciondawgs period.not just a weekend warrior thing.NUFF SAID and gd luck yall with ya 3hr hunt

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how about a 1 hour money hunt that would really hurt the other kcs

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Yep pkc has ruined em Flake. Er I mean Flint. Take a gander at the truck hunt play by play from South Ga over the weekend. Slick treeing mutts

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Mr. Johnson is there any one person or system we must talk to at ukc to get a vote on a 60 or 90 minute hunt ?? HEY MAYBE MR. ALLEN IS READING THIS. I HOPE HE IS! SO HE CAN GIVE US AN OPINION.

* Flint thats not really a bad idea for Nt. Ch.'s, that idea could weed out some of these "so called Nt. Ch.'s.

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all who want weekday hunts better think hard on it, its proven from pkc that what once was we would hold weekend hunts have 30+ entries, when they open up to weekday hunts entries went way downhill, so now it takes 3-4 hunts to make what we did on a one night hunt, how many people want to or can spend all those extra nights at the club working at extra events. Think about it this way, how many want to work twice the hours on your job for the same pay! most people that go to the hunts all over don't even belong to a club so they don't give 2 sh!ts about it!!! basically on weekdays hunts all you have there is the same 3-4 dogs, its a joke and time waster!!!

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Spread the dogs a little thinner so we can all have dual grander in a few weeks... More single dog cast so everyone can win... I myself will not waste my time trying to attend a one hour hunt in any registry and I'm sure there are probably more feel the same.way... Ain't no way I'm gonna drive longer than I hunt and not hunt long enough for the cream to rise to the top.... The people that really want to hunt will find away.and a place just as they are set up now

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Cheyenne, I agree with what you stated with *kc. It has hurt them with the weekday hunts. I have never stated anything about holding weekday hunts. This is a poll for weekend hunts. Hunting and our clubs should be a hobby, so no one should get frustrated with folks trying to think outside the box.The world is changing and my opinion is that it is for the worst. Im just trying to get a feel for our future. 10 yrs. ago, I had enuf land to hunt here that you would never turn loose in the same place twice in the same week. Now, subdivisions and "tree hugers" have taken over most of those places. Most of us and I think its beginning to happen everywhere have to hunt the same places every night. So, in the future most of us will not have enuf land to hunt out a two hr. hunt. JMO. And I sure hope my last statement will not come true but it sure is leaning that way around here. Again, this poll was intended to get folks to looking at the future of our clubs to up attendance because of the weekend working persons. And to us folks who are loosing places to even finish a two hr. hunt. It is also intended to get us to think about the future of our heritage, and our children.

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Now if u wanna change something in UKC.This is my proposal.
Once your dog makes night champion.
all nite champions,hunt 1 hr.if theres 2 cast or more,and if not,they hunt 2 hrs.now the reson for this is.Is so the nite chamions,can hunt off there win agaist the other cast winner.for nite champion that nite.

*Flint you know you are like me and thinking outside the box. I like this idea!

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If UKC goes to 1 hour hunts then make it two 1st wins and 200 points on the one hour hunts if it ever happens.

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Mr. Kemp, i admire your thoughts and views, i also know how hard it is to get good hunting and having enough woods to take cast, as i try not to impose and keep making a nussiance by hunting the same woods night after night! and the way some state officials (wardens) act it seems they try to discourage people from hunting rather than help with landowner/hunter relations! times are changing and like you i believe its gonna get worse than better, i for one would like to have anyone at a hunt be a member of a club before they can pay their entry, i get tired of seeing alot of hunters take advantage of others hard work to put on events and they are the ones that seem are the biggest cry babies. i have met many hunters that are hands down assets to our sport, but the few bad apples sure leave a bad taste in your mouth. too many free loaders that spoil it for others.

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Cheyenne, I agree with your last post 100%. They sure do leave a bad taste in ur mouth. Again, agree with u.

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I agree the point system would have to be different. Make em win more to accomplish the same things these super in shape 2 hounds have to

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60 minutes around here in the mountains some occasions wouldn't be enough time for a really good cold nose dogs to hunt off 1000 yards trail the coon up and tree it, sounds like a dog could do it faster but as rough as it is here you'd understand haha

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A nice simple system that UKC. could implement would be to give the clubs the option of having 1 hour hunts, only they know what would appeal to their crowd. 1 hour hunts could award one half the points. Simple enough nt ch degree would reguire one first place in a two hour hunt or two first places in one hour hunts. I do like the idea of hunting off the NTchs, Sometimes it can take alot of cast wins to get one finished.

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No feeder rule for all casts.Give a half a win(.50) on NtCh. casts during the weeknight hunts & instead of 40 for first place registered give 20points & on down still requiring a first & 100 total points. No less than a 3 dog cast.You have to have total plus to win in UKC anyway. Lots of cast will have circle & the really honest casts will have minus if they deserve it like it is now. Actually 1 hour weeknight hunts based 1 a month at clubs that want them, but not being required to is a good concept with a scoring system like this. That way there won't be one at every club unless the clubs & hunters themselves want them. Let us decide since we are the ones giving our hard earned money to a business that has the best breeding registry in the world & we are making them richer everyday. This concept could actually work pretty well. As far as the arguement about getting a dog into shape for 1, 2, or 3 hour hunts is ridiculous in my opinion. Most dogs now adays will hunt as far a fitness goes in any of the three as most hard hunters don't miss many nights anyway weather permitting. Now if they aren't a coondog & can't track after the frost settles they need to be gotten rid of for something that can in my opinion of what I'd do myself.I have hunted 1 hour hunts in PKC & have never saw that the biggest majority of the time around here that the best competitive coondog didn't win. I know it happens, but I've never won a cast on minus or circle myself. I have saw a couple on circle, but there legitimate tracks struck & ran to them. If UKC still kept the plus only concept as it should be & half point system this could definitley work in my opinion. If someones a crook they usually end up caught anyway & dealt with by UKC. I just don't understand the reasoning for not having 1 hour hunts myself.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oak Ridge
After you have hunted in enough 1 hour hunts, you quickly see why we have four generations of babblers. If you don't have first strike....you are not going to win.

One hour hunts are a matter of LUCK not dog power. Matter of fact, we are going to have a three hour hunt this year.... [/QUOTE





I agree with Oak Ridge on this one.

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