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Catfish100
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A 220 will only catch a dog if it's baited or part of a bucket type set. Carry a fence pliers with you and cut the springs if a dog gets caught, it might survive. There are safe bucket sets to be made, you trappers look it up.
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kayapellijed390
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quote:
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Okay, so if there is a dog proof trap, why don't they use them?

My buddy is the manager of a fur company near here and he says it is impossible to keep dog proof traps on the shelf. As soon as a shipment comes in they are sold. People are going nuts for them. I have tried some of them, and have found them to be a highly effective and usefull trap. However, when I can buy three coilspring traps for the price of one dog proof trap, I tend to lean more towards a coilspring. I still utilize dog proof traps in higher risk areas, but if I can set three traps for the same money as one dog proof it is kind of a no brainer. More traps equals more fur, period. Also not everybody out there trapping is targeting just coon. A dog proof trap also means it is a coyote and fox proof trap.

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Okay, so if there is a dog proof trap, why don't they use them?

Funny that a trapper came up with the idea and not a hound runner aint it.

Limit them to just this and them limit yourself to just 1 hound a night...no pups with it....no buddys dog...or only hunt till 10 o clock

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michael.magorian
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quote:
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Okay, so if there is a dog proof trap, why don't they use them?

Why don't all hound hunters feed decent dog food, or think up asinine methods for breaking a dog of bad habits instead of just buying a shock collar?

Money is the answer. If money wasn't a factor, a lot of people would do a lot of things differently.

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woopy44
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There you go tylerman

Very good idea tylerman, One dog to a hunter a nite , One trap to a trapper a nite...Problem solved...See we can come up with a way to get along.............

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Bobby Reynolds
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The trappers around my place are slaughtering the coon population, but I will give them this, they are using dog-proof traps.

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tylerman
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Re: There you go tylerman

quote:
Originally posted by woopy44
Very good idea tylerman, One dog to a hunter a nite , One trap to a trapper a nite...Problem solved...See we can come up with a way to get along.............

careful what you ask for...what if it was a snare with no stop...or a 330 conibear..they only get one so they get to choose..or to satisfy the selfish one sided view does it have to be a dog proof....then no coyotes or foxes can be harvested so they get outa control and diesease is widespread and takes your coon numbers lower than when the were managed by both outdoorsman....or now your one dog is attacked just like guys with the problems with the wolves up north...here we go again...where will it stop.

There are 2 sides..it cant be only one side giving up rights.That is what the anti-outdoors man want...1 baby step at a time...that is how they are taking your gun rights.You start taking them from each other just leaves them less to fight for....no trapping no hunting no fishing no dogs...They think a dog mauling a coon is just as bad as a trap...do you understand that?They want it all banned....do you not get it?You will loose it all to get your way...if your way is the only way...you might as well send PETA the money now.

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The comment about footholds not doing damage is as bunch of BS.Ive trapped for years and caught a many yote and fox.Ive used a lot of different style traps and even with the weak#2 2 coil Duke Ive seen toes taken completely off and several broken bones in feet on yotes.If you have a dog with cat like feet I can gurantee you that the chance of doing some serious damage is high but the goal of serious trapper is not to catch off game and you shouldnt unless you are using illegal sets or trapping on a carcass.I don't want to see trapping go away but they are some things that need to change in the sport.Here are few things that need to change now.All snares need to have choke stops on them.I use them,why cant everybody else.I caught a beagle with a fox snare that had a choke stop,the guy knew me and he called and thanked me.Connibears should be used as water sets only.Im not trapping right now but as soon as this weather down here turns back cold I might try to catch a cat or 2.

BULL...I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU!!

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john Duemmer
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I had a No.2 coil bust a dogs foot up pretty bad. Dog limped the rest of its life. But trappers have just as much right to the woods as us hound hunters, i do think though that a responsible trapper should check his line every day. To many uneducated kids just setting traps on game trails and creek banks that couldnt catch anything except a dog and only checkin them on saturday.

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Wingpatch
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COYOTE HUNTER

WHOULD YOU BELIEAVE ME..........
THE VERY REASON I STARTED THIS THREAD WAS I HAVE SEEN DAMAGE DONE.
IT WAS'NT TO PUT NEW SPARK TO AN OLD FIRE THAT HAS BEEN SMOLDERING FOR ALL OF THE 60YRS. I HAVE BEEN RUNNING HOUNDS...
SETTING TRAPS IN THE MIDDLE ROADS , WALKING TRAILS, IN DITCHS CLOSE TO HOMES IS NOT RIGHT, LEGAL OR NOT IN MY BOOK...
THE REASON I DONT HUNT THE RIVERS AROUND HERE IS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE TRAPPED...

ALL I ASK IS CAN'T A TRAPPER POST SOME HOW THAT THERE ARE TRAPS IN THE AREA., I WILL GO ELSE WHERE OR STAY AT HOME I DONT WANT MY DOGS TRAPPED........
NO TRUE SPORTSMEN WANTS ANYONE TO LOSE THERE RIGHTS .
I HAVE AND I WILL DO MY PART TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF A TRAPPER JUST AS QUICK AS I WILL A HOUNDMAN...

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Whordel
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quote:
Originally posted by COYOTE-HUNTER
BULL...I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU!!

I remember this female well.I don't have a close up but I do know that there was a toe taken off.

There was no stop on this snare.

There is a Choke stop on this snare

2 broke bones in the feet,you can see the blood on his leg and on the snow,the mb 650 tore his foot all to heck.You can believe me or not,really don't care.I know each yote foot that I trap has to be examined before I can relocate them lol.I don't get a lot that like that but it does happen.

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tylerman
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How late in the day are you checking?-all seem daylight?Not sure you are using the right tooll for the job.Most hounds would be retrieved right away by houndsmen I would think?No time to cause any damage.

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kayapellijed390
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????choke stops????

The stop on a snare is not to stop it from choking a critter out, is to stop the snare from closing far enough to snare a deers leg. The only thing that will stop a snare from choking an animal to death is a relaxing lock. The stops on a snare still allow a snare to to close down to about a two and half inch diameter circle, plenty small enough to choke out anything short of a chihauha. Don't get me wrong I absolutely hate snares, as a matterof fact they scare me as much as conibears, especially when they are set for coyotes. A dog hunting is likely to hit a snare with enough speed to get the lock choked down far enough to be in peril, if not rescued fairly quickly. If I could come up with a fair compromise for both houndsmen and trappers it would be to outlaw baited conibear sets and outlaw snares with agressive locks and, or, kill springs. If I had to let dogs out of foot hold traps every other night out for the rest of my life, that would be fine with me, as long as I could rest easy knowing that there weren't any traps or snares out there that were potentialy lethal to my dogs.

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Re: ????choke stops????

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The stop on a snare is not to stop it from choking a critter out, is to stop the snare from closing far enough to snare a deers leg. The only thing that will stop a snare from choking an animal to death is a relaxing lock. The stops on a snare still allow a snare to to close down to about a two and half inch diameter circle, plenty small enough to choke out anything short of a chihauha. Don't get me wrong I absolutely hate snares, as a matterof fact they scare me as much as conibears, especially when they are set for coyotes. A dog hunting is likely to hit a snare with enough speed to get the lock choked down far enough to be in peril, if not rescued fairly quickly. If I could come up with a fair compromise for both houndsmen and trappers it would be to outlaw baited conibear sets and outlaw snares with agressive locks and, or, kill springs. If I had to let dogs out of foot hold traps every other night out for the rest of my life, that would be fine with me, as long as I could rest easy knowing that there weren't any traps or snares out there that were potentialy lethal to my dogs.

I don't use snares anymore but I what I call a choke stop is nothing but a deer stop that I custom made myself.Anybody can build em,takes about 5 minutes to put on a dozen of them and they work but I Ill agree on the laws need to change.
http://www.fntpost.com/Products/Dee...e-On+Deer+Stops

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Do you want the trappers to tell us to put up a sign....HEY, I MAY RUN MY HOUND HERE!!
COME ON!!!

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I. C.

I GUESS FOR SOME THERE IS NO REASONING WITH........

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I am first and foremost a coonhunter and houndsman, but I also enjoy trapping bobcats, and fox. Yes, I do hunt in areas, that I have traps set, and personally I never give it a second thought. From what I have read from some of the previous post , it would not bother me to hunt around some of these other guys traps.They seem like some pretty responsible people,as well as knowledgeable.As far as trapping not being a sport, I suggest trying it for a week. Its just like anything else, if done right it is work. Just like coonhunting! I've always said being a coondog is a dangerous occupation. There is always the danger of being run over, drowning, cave in, falling, hypothermia, lost, stolen, and yes, even traps. Foothold traps, by far, are the lesser evil. Especially these days with our garmins. In 35 years of coonhunting I've lost while hunting,3 dogs run over on highways, 1 dog run over by train, and 1 dog caught in trap, which I simply released and went on hunting. He was the only one of the 5, I took home at the end of the night. One last thing, you can trap proof your dog. Simply make a trap set in your back yard with an old weak trap. Pinch his toes one time, and he will be done with traps. Dogs are smarter than we think. By the way,when he gets caught, watch what he does. After the the initial shock of being caught, he will settle down and wait for you to come help. He is a domestic animal, not wild, big difference.

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I let some guys trap here at my house last week. Gonna try an catch some yotes. Dang first thing we pull up on is one of my coons. They had said.Oh it want hurt em we will turn them loose. This one gnawed his toes plum off. I said that's it for trapping here Id soon have the coyotes as to trap my coons.

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I let some guys trap here at my house last week. Gonna try an catch some yotes. Dang first thing we pull up on is one of my coons. They had said.Oh it want hurt em we will turn them loose. This one gnawed his toes plum off. I said that's it for trapping here Id soon have the coyotes as to trap my coons.

That's the bad thing about trapping a coon, they are bad for chewing their own feet and toes off. If they were to use like an offset #2 MB 550 most coon can pull their self out of the offset traps with minimal damage. What kind of a set and bait were they using? Im just curious if they had a lot of experience trapping for yotes cause I catch very few coon,if any when I do trap for Cats and Yotes,took me a few years to figure it out.

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They had mb 550s but they had rubber pads on em. Not offset. They used powder river paste bait or something and some kind of cat call stuff. We caught that Coon right close to where I had some corn out for deer and Coon an turkeys. We caught a bird to in one of em. Bad thing is. They left here and went to trap another place I hunt. Said they have caught no Coon there. 2 Possums and 2 yotes. I think here to avoid catching Coon. We might should try and set out in fields????? What do you use for coyotes? I wanna learn and I don't want to catch my coons. I don't have a license now so Im not supposed to get out of the truck. Trappers are becoming more and more around here. Only way I know to keep them off my deer clubs where I Coon hunt is to learn how to trap myself and kill the coyotes.

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JMO

a trap is working 24/7 a hound is only when you cut em loose ....we trapped a few yotes ......

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Whordel
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They had mb 550s but they had rubber pads on em. Not offset. They used powder river paste bait or something and some kind of cat call stuff. We caught that Coon right close to where I had some corn out for deer and Coon an turkeys. We caught a bird to in one of em. Bad thing is. They left here and went to trap another place I hunt. Said they have caught no Coon there. 2 Possums and 2 yotes. I think here to avoid catching Coon. We might should try and set out in fields????? What do you use for coyotes? I wanna learn and I don't want to catch my coons. I don't have a license now so Im not supposed to get out of the truck. Trappers are becoming more and more around here. Only way I know to keep them off my deer clubs where I Coon hunt is to learn how to trap myself and kill the coyotes.

The key to trapping yotes is location. I like open fields but at the edges of them where roads intersect the best,I love double sets in open places also. Ive learned that yotes like to travel roads like old logging roads and atv trails but I also look for tracts and scat to make sure they are using them. You can have the best lures,baits and so forth but if you aint trapping where they are coyotes you are not going to get em. Trap prep is important too. Ya need to get off the factory oils and I like to dip mine in dye and wax.You never want to get your lures,baits or urine on your traps,this will cause them to dig them up. Bedding your trap is very important also,you need to learn to do it properly. What ever kind of set you use is entirely up to you. Ive used most type of sets and probably caught less off targets using a flat set but for me Ive caught more yotes probably using a hole set with some kind of natural looking backing.You can and will catch some foxes and a few cats and maybe some coon on them but if you use a offset you have a good chance of the coon pulling out of them. The same with the lure,baits or urine you want to use as a set is up to you.They are so many different baits,lures and urine out there and so many people recommend different stuff I would do some research and see what you think you would like to try. You can catch a yote with about anything and I have but like I said if your not trapping where yotes are,trap preperation and handling(wearing gloves and rubber boots) and good bedding your not going to catch em anyways. Hope this helps, Im no where near a pro but I have caught a few, good luck!!!

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They claim they trapped a while. I knew when we set em e
We wouldn't have any coyotes. No scent control gloves or rubber boots. Spitting around traps lol. I think I'll check into some offsets. A yote want pull out of one will it? Maybe a bobcat?

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No you shouldn't lose a yote,cat or fox. If you do catch coon with an offset you have a better chance of them not chewing their toes off because the offset will allow blood flow to the toes and they can still feel them.Thats why a coon chews its toes off in a regular trap.It cuts off circulation to the toes therefore going numb and they cant feel anything and thats why they do it.I can't gurantee they wont but thats what I have good luck with.

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