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I read the next verse ,but we were talking about people who were saved and then turned there back upon the Lord and returned to their sinning ways, if they started doing those things that are listed again .The verses plainly stated that those kind of people would not inherit eternal life. what happened to Lots wife ,when leaving the sinful cities of Sodom amd Gamora, the Lord told them not to look back unless they be turned to a pillar of salt, she was basically looking back to her sinful ways. Lot didn't look back and he was delivered

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Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if any man draw back my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

it is a matter of faith, Paul said in Colossians 1:23 If you continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven where of i paul am made a minister.

Jude 21,23,24 keep your selves in the love God looking for the mercy of our lord Jesus christ unto eternal life
and some have compation making a diffrence
and others save with fear pulling them out of the fire hating even the garment spotted by the flesh
now unto him that is able to keep you from falling and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy

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your right but what are you called if you get saved and down the road you start doing these things again,

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no hard feeling here , I just believe there will be no sin to enter heaven ,I believe that if I sin now thet I must repent of it and try my best not to repeat it again I just can't see how the Lord would allow me who has known his grace and mercy and love to go back to my sinfull ways and allow me to enter into heaven.

Matthew 7:17-23- Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth foryh evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down .and cast into the fire20. Where fore by there fruits shall you know them. 21. Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord ,Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is heaven.22. Many will say to me that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophisied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then I will profess unto them ,I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity .

Somewhere the people that Jesus is talking about knew him and had a relationship with him, they couldn't have done all of these wonderfull works in his name if they didn't have a relationship with him, but somewhere they lost their relationship because He says depart from me for I never knew you.

Jesus told the woman caught in the very act of Adultery neither do I condemn thee, Go And Sin No More John 8; 11

Last thought, wouldn't it be easy to say that if we would go and tell people, listen all you have to do is repent and ask the Lord to be your Savior once , and then after that you can go back to being a drunk, a drug addict, a whoremunger a theive, and anything else you want to do and you can still go to Heaven. Wouldn't you think that if it was that easy there would be a whole lot more people to accept Christ, Ijust don't believe it's that easy

But I don't have any hard feelings toward anyone, this is a good discussion

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We agree pastor ........

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Matthew 7:17-23- Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth foryh evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down .and cast into the fire20. Where fore by there fruits shall you know them. 21. Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord ,Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is heaven.22. Many will say to me that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophisied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then I will profess unto them ,I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity .

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In my opinion these verses are talking about people who say they were saved but were never truly saved. 18 a good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit. For example some of these tv pastors that are on tv every Sunday preaching the gospel , but then you hear of them having affairs and telling people they can heal them if they send money and so on. To me that is what these versus mean . Great discussion!

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Have "YOU" been spiritually circumcised ? Col. 2: 8-13 As others have mentioned earlier, salvation is free,{not WORKS} all you have to do is recieve it. Speaking of salvation, have you studied the Doctrines of Salvation{Soteriology}Justification,Imputation, Sanctification,Adoption, Rengeneration,etc. I guarantee you if you do, you will come to the knowledge of the Truth!! John: 17-17 Stay out of the trib.,Mill., passages of scripture to prove your point. 2Tim. 2:15 KJV 1611 AV Take God at his word, get into God's how to manual for life, become a Bible believer!!

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I don't buy into the eternal security thing! Just my opinion, but I believe this is the biggest lie Satan has spread throughout history. I just don't think Judas is dancing on streets of gold. The " Reverend" Jim Jones, was an honorable man at one time, but I don't think he's in heaven! One of the posters previously wrote about our name being blotted out of the Lambs book of Life, and for it to be blotted out, it has to be there to begin with! Is our name put in the book of Life when we are saved, or is it when we are born? I'm not sure, but I believe it's when we're born again! I also know, we can backslide, do evil, murder, steal, rape, commit adultery, etc. etc. etc., ask forgiveness, and we will be forgiven!
If you believe once in grace, always in grace, that's fine by me, but I just don't believe that way, and I know a whole bunch of people don't believe how I interpret this subject, and that's O.K.

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I don't buy into the eternal security thing! Just my opinion, but I believe this is the biggest lie Satan has spread throughout history. I just don't think Judas is dancing on streets of gold. The " Reverend" Jim Jones, was an honorable man at one time, but I don't think he's in heaven! One of the posters previously wrote about our name being blotted out of the Lambs book of Life, and for it to be blotted out, it has to be there to begin with! Is our name put in the book of Life when we are saved, or is it when we are born? I'm not sure, but I believe it's when we're born again! I also know, we can backslide, do evil, murder, steal, rape, commit adultery, etc. etc. etc., ask forgiveness, and we will be forgiven!
If you believe once in grace, always in grace, that's fine by me, but I just don't believe that way, and I know a whole bunch of people don't believe how I interpret this subject, and that's O.K.

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One of the posters previously wrote about our name being blotted out of the Lambs book of Life, and for it to be blotted out, it has to be there to begin with!

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I don't buy into the eternal security thing! Just my opinion, but I believe this is the biggest lie Satan has spread throughout history. I just don't think Judas is dancing on streets of gold. The " Reverend" Jim Jones, was an honorable man at one time, but I don't think he's in heaven! One of the posters previously wrote about our name being blotted out of the Lambs book of Life, and for it to be blotted out, it has to be there to begin with! Is our name put in the book of Life when we are saved, or is it when we are born? I'm not sure, but I believe it's when we're born again! I also know, we can backslide, do evil, murder, steal, rape, commit adultery, etc. etc. etc., ask forgiveness, and we will be forgiven!
If you believe once in grace, always in grace, that's fine by me, but I just don't believe that way, and I know a whole bunch of people don't believe how I interpret this subject, and that's O.K.

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I dont think we can judge who is realy saved and who is not only God can Judge that, if that was the case those who proclaim to be saved and keep on sinning, in my eyes aren't realy saved but thats not for me to judge

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What is your son called after he gets drunk , gets the neighbors daughter pregnant, or steals and lands in jail ? He is still called YOUR SON. Many places in the Bible we are call a Child of God.

I just think that if you fully understand God's Grace , Mercy , and Love, you can understand why he doesn't throw his own to the wolves when they slip up in life.

I did Nothing to deserve or earn my Salvation , so I can do nothing to lose it. It is the gift of God.

However , as I said above , God will punish people that fall back into sin by allowing things in this life to happen , and by taking away eternal rewards in the next life.

Like I posted above, David fell into sin with Bathsheba and he ask God to Restore the JOY of his Salvation.... David did not ask God to Restore his Salvation. He never lost that.. He ask for the JOY to be Restored.... David was in Misery and out of Fellowship with God over his sin and he wanted that back again... But his Salvation was never in jeopardy.. A child after a spanking grieves and wants to be back in favor with the parent. The parent punishes the child but does not discard the child.

Look, I realize some denominations have been teaching lost salvation for many years and it's hard to almost impossible to change minds, so I hope nobody has any hard feelings about all this..... This is a very good topic and good discussion.

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On a very very positive note . It sure is good to know all these brothers and sisters in CHrist are here on this message board. What matters most is that we Love the Lord, love each other, and let our light shine to lost folks ! Totally regardless of Denomination or anything like that, if your hope is in Jesus Christ and you belong to him, then your my brother or sister !

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thats right jason. i love reading what others have posted on here. theres a lot of people on here really knows the bible and it yall have helped me quite a bit.thank yall.

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I don't buy into the eternal security thing! Just my opinion, but I believe this is the biggest lie Satan has spread throughout history. I just don't think Judas is dancing on streets of gold. The " Reverend" Jim Jones, was an honorable man at one time, but I don't think he's in heaven! One of the posters previously wrote about our name being blotted out of the Lambs book of Life, and for it to be blotted out, it has to be there to begin with! Is our name put in the book of Life when we are saved, or is it when we are born? I'm not sure, but I believe it's when we're born again! I also know, we can backslide, do evil, murder, steal, rape, commit adultery, etc. etc. etc., ask forgiveness, and we will be forgiven!
If you believe once in grace, always in grace, that's fine by me, but I just don't believe that way, and I know a whole bunch of people don't believe how I interpret this subject, and that's O.K.

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On a very very positive note . It sure is good to know all these brothers and sisters in CHrist are here on this message board. What matters most is that we Love the Lord, love each other, and let our light shine to lost folks ! Totally regardless of Denomination or anything like that, if your hope is in Jesus Christ and you belong to him, then your my brother or sister !

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Are we God's children or God's creations? A guy mention that on here and i just wanted some thoughts.

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Are we God's children or God's creations? A guy mention that on here and i just wanted some thoughts.

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Rom 8:14-17 NKJV
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
(15) For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
(16) The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
(17) and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.


I think verse 14 speaks clearly as to who are the children on God. Some will say we are all God's children, I think this scripture points out that only those who are led by the Spirit of God, are sons of God.

We are adopted sons of God. Heirs to the kingdom, this makes God for us, more than God, more personal, he becomes Papa, Father. We are ensured by the Holy Spirit as to who we are in Christ.


God's Word is awesome.

I am very thankful for the group of people here sharing God's word. I haven't seen one cross word, just discussing the Word of God and studying it to understand it better.

Proverbs 27:17

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It is a wonderful thing to have a friend with whom you can sharpen your mind. You can discuss certain things with him with real profit. I used to have such a friend, and we could sit down and talk about spiritual matters. I always came away refreshed and strengthened, and I always had learned something. It is wonderful to have a friend like that.

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But I think there are several that claim to be and have no fruit to back it up.

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Jesus died once for all sin.
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I am battling with my conscience as whether to post on here or not. I will just say that the hypocrisy of the "eternal security" doctrine is precisely why many people reject Christianity. What we find is the "Christians" live no differently than the sinner because their sin is somehow justified by the blood of Jesus. The foundation of ALL FALSE DOCTRINE IS THE BELIEF THAT MAN CAN BE SAVED IN SIN!!! This misses the whole concept of Calvary. Jesus came to what? "Save his people from their sin." So if your doctrine does not give you power over the things mentioned in I Cor 6:11, you didn't have anything in the first place. The only way to do the things mentioned there is to not have Christ present in you. Doesn't the Scripture say he will not dwell in an unclean temple? Does it not say "no man can serve two masters?" It also says "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is NONE of his." So you obviously can't be an adulterer and have Christ in you, so where does that leave your doctrine? Definetly unscriptural, and God will judge you for your proclamation of false doctrine! Harsh, but I am weary of the lies of this despicable doctrine. Any doctrine that takes away personal responsibility to live separated from this present world is false. You guys are no better than the gays proclaiming "I was born this way." It is the same principle, no personal responsibility for the condition of the heart. We don't walk down the road and suddenly fall into adultery. The Bible says that "from the heart proceedeth" these things. The heart is the very identity of who we really are. I am already saying more than I intended, but you advocates of eternal security might as well go and join the homosexual churches that teach faith alone. Your sin is no different than theirs. As long as they trust Jesus' blood to make the difference. This is sickening that people actually believe they can live any way they want and then still go to heaven. How easy that really is, but the Scripture says that the "every man presseth into it." Its not an easy road like "eternal security" says it is. Its a daily walk and talk with God. Its getting up in the morning and looking yourself in the mirror and saying "I am going to live right today." I would be happy to debate the point further, but I am sure I will get persecuted for my stand, so I will try not to post on here anymore. I get way to riled up.

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Romans 6

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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