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“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.”

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The economy should benefit all of the American people, not just the wealthy.

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers”, he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20”. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share?”

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. “I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got $10!” “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!” “That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!” “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!” The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

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Everyone talks , but nobody listens to each other or ever changes their mind .... that's why War is still so popular , I say forget these debates and let's fight ... the side that is made of real workers , real hunters and real men with brains will win .... those blue states would look better in black-n-blue anyway .

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Papa John’s Pizza CEO dared to announce ObamaCare would force him to raise prices 11 to 14 cents per pizza and cut back employee hours.

Denny’s has announced it will charge a 5% “ObamaCare surcharge” and cut employee hours

Applebee’s and other companies say they will fire staff because of ObamaCare.

It's fixin to get bad if you want fast food....

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers”, he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20”. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share?”

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. “I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got $10!” “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!” “That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!” “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!” The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

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Nice joke but you left out alot more taxes being paid by the poor!! FAILED AGAIN LIKE ROMNEY!

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Everyone talks , but nobody listens to each other or ever changes their mind .... that's why War is still so popular , I say forget these debates and let's fight ... the side that is made of real workers , real hunters and real men with brains will win .... those blue states would look better in black-n-blue anyway .

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Nice joke but you left out alot more taxes being paid by the poor!! FAILED AGAIN LIKE ROMNEY!

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the poor pay taxes just not income tax just like the rich pay little income tax its the middle that pays the most by percentages of income wake up when the rich only pays 14 percent when they can afford to pay more but won't yet give millions trying to buy a election then write off those donations and can afford to fight all taxes threw fancy accounting practices they make me want to buy them some keenex to sop up all there tears when they lose ! 65 percent of all voters think the rich should pay more so that makes all you that disagree a minority and in this country the majority rules mark my words if the middle class taxes are held hostage for the rich to pay less the right will be the minority in both houses in 2014 you already lost seats in both house so the writing is on the wall !

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its the middle that pays the most by percentages of income

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My beloved twinkie is going to be no more just because of DAVES union. One more buisness gone .And I'm here to tell you Dave dos'e believe in god ,many of times I've heard him [ GOD I HOPE THAT SORRY A&& DOG OF MINE STAYS TREED TILL I GET THERE. Take it away dave . Oakrige I think I've found a new friend, keep up the good work TOM EDWARDS

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Tom, I don't belong to the Twinkie Union. That is a fact.

Tom, another fact, you never have ever been hunting with any of my dogs that did not stay treed every time. And, if you need your memory refreshed, remember, I was carrying a camcorder most of the times and I can post plenty of videos of you and I walking into a tree where my dogs stayed treed and showed your dogs where the coon was at. LOL

Tom, you know I have good dogs, does your buddy Oakridge even have a dog? I think there is plenty of guys posting on this thread that don't. Oakridge may have a dog named Twinkie, I don't know?LOL

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Okay, time for another question....

So to everyone who thinks that the "rich" should pay a larger percentage of taxes...do you have children? If you have children, do you pay them an allowance?

Here is why I ask those questions. Lets say that I have a son who is of the age to do some chores around the house, and in return I give him an allowance of $5.00 a week.

Before the end of the first week my son tells me that he has already spent his $5.00 and needs an "advance" on next weeks allowance. Being a good Dad....I reach in my pocket and "advance" him another $5.00. However, an Friday of the first week, my loving son expects that he get his allowance again. I pay him his second weeks allowance, but in the first week, Jimmy has spent quite a bit more than he has coming to him.

Now being a good Dad...I talk to him about responsibly spending his money, and telling him that he has to watch his spending and "live within his means". He says that he understands, but at the end of week 2, he is overspending again. I've paid him a months worth of allowance at the end of two weeks.

Again, I have to set my son down and have a man to man with him. His response is "Dad...you make good wages, heck your RICH. You can afford to pay me at least twice what you are paying me now. Being a loving and benevolent Dad...I agree...and decide to pay him $10.00 a week, I mean after all I am giving that much to him anyway.

Well, things go along great for a few weeks, but Sonny boy has forgotten about his deficit spending, and now he again is asking for me to loan him money before allowance day, but he still expects his allowance each week.

At the end of the year, his allowance income is right at $500.00, but he has spent $800.00. Again, he comes to me with a request for an allowance increase. He wants me to give him MORE money, and uses the logic that he has been spending more than he is taking in as justification for his request that the "rich" pay him more.

I am torn, but relent. This goes on for four years, and at the end of the four years Sonny is now spending at the rate of 600.00 a month, while his allowance is about $100 a month. Over the four years he has amassed a deficit of unbelievable proportions. When he is approached about the deficit, he agrees that he will pay it back, but he can't afford to pay it back all at once, so can he pay it back over time. I agree, but the realization hits me that he will moved out of the house and on his own before I get my deficit back.

In order for the debt to be paid, Sonny's little sister has to take a reduction in her allowance. Since the allowance fund for the family is running on empty...

Now this is a simple view of deficit spending. For everyone involved in this conversation that feels that "the rich can afford to pay more taxes".....I ask you what would happen IF the government was required to have a balance budget? What IF the federal Govt. spent only what they took in?

I am NOT opposed to tax increases, I think the timing is horrible right now because we are in a very fragile recovery period from a deep recession. History proves that tax increases during recovery periods is a recipe for further recession. However, I am not in favor of anyone paying more taxes without a reduction in spending

The problem is not that we are not collecting enough tax revenue...the problem is that we are spending more than we are taking in.

Few among us would allow our children to behave in this manner, I just can't understand why ANY of us would allow our government to....

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Believe I'll check into some ground down there . Seems to me mabe they have the right idea ,besides it will be a good investment everything will go up for sure. Get ahead of the rush. TOM

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I wonder what Texas plans on doing with the border along the Rio Grande without the Federal Government? I wonder how long it will take the drug cartels to overrun Texas if the US Government pulls out? After reading these posts on the message board, I can see why Congress has such a hard time agreeing on anything. It seems that everyone has their own "figures" and solutions. Everyone thinks that their "way" is the right way and the only way. They refuse to believe that there may be more than one way to solve the problem.

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I wonder what Texas plans on doing with the border along the Rio Grande without the Federal Government? I wonder how long it will take the drug cartels to overrun Texas if the US Government pulls out?

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My good friend Dave.

Yes..I have a dog, no, I have several. I too hunt curs, and have a walker or two here that will get the job done.

Matter of fact, I now have a "waiting list" of folks that want a pup from my kennel. However, being the responsible conservative leaning independent that I am, the economy has forced me to scale back on my kennel. I'm no longer able to efficiently create a supply to meet the demand.

I don't buy into the "everybody should have one because somebody has one" mode of thinking...so if you want one, you better be ready to do the work to get one......

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My good friend Dave.
Yes..I have a dog, no, I have several. I too hunt curs, and have a walker or two here that will get the job done.
Matter of fact, I now have a "waiting list" of folks that want a pup from my kennel......

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I wonder if this happens in Congress also? They start out arueing/debating about the economy/politics and end up argueing about who has the best dog. It is no wonder that nothing is ever accomplished.

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I wonder if this happens in Congress also? They start out arueing/debating about the economy/politics and end up argueing about who has the best dog. It is no wonder that nothing is ever accomplished.

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I love to watch the politicians on TV. They are experts at deflecting a question or changing the subject. They never actually answer the question that they are asked. By the time that they are through with their "answer" you have forgotten what the question was. I had to go back to the very beginning of this post to see that it was originally about states ceceeding from the Union.

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Believe it or not, I am an independant. And finding a non-partisan report is as rare as hens teeth. Fact is that I have to really dig into my different sources and am constantly asking...what is the overall agenda of this source? Do they as a whole lean to the left, or lean to the right.

I think that I've found a source that I can trust as being non-partisan in http://taxfoundation.org



Obama Tax Plan
Conclusion

Tax Foundation economists measured the economic and distributional effects of all of President Obama’s tax proposals: his plan to sunset the Bush-era tax rates for high-income taxpayers; his corporate tax plan; and, the tax changes contained in the Affordable Care Act beginning in 2013. We found that these proposals would lower economic growth while substantially lowering workers’ wages and incomes. Ultimately, these tax plans would be very harmful for the nation’s long-term economic outlook.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/si...obamas-tax-plan

Romney Tax Plan
Conclusion

While the debate over tax reform has been consumed with distributional issues, the economy continues to limp along in the worst recovery since the Great Depression. To be sure, this economy faces headwinds that even an ideal tax code will not address, but pro-growth tax reform can provide substantial benefits. Our results indicate that by lowering tax rates on investment and labor, the Romney tax plan would grow the economy by 7.4 percent, the capital stock by almost 19 percent, wages by almost 5 percent, and hours worked by 3 percent. The benefits would be widely enjoyed, as every income group would experience at least a 7 percent increase in after-tax income. It would benefit the federal budget as well, in that fully 60 percent of the static revenue loss from Romney’s plan would be recovered from taxing a larger economy.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/si...omneys-tax-plan

I would encrouage everyone who has a real interest in the difference to look at each page, compare how the economists came to the conclusions that they did. I'm sure that the left can poke holes in the analysis, and I'm sure that the Right can do the same.

But for me, the comparison of the two plans is complete, the same model is applied to both of them, and the comparison makes sense to me.

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As I said, each side has their own plan and can back it up with their own figures to "prove" that their's will work and the opposition's won't. The only way to find out however is to pick one or the other and put it in place. I am not advocating either one because I have seen so many arguments that either one will work. If the one that they pick does not work out then they can revert to the other. But they must make a choice. Refusing to pick one or the other is what got us in this mess to begin with.

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Joe, I never meant anything personal and I have seen the videos of your dogs and they looked great. Your videos are much better than mine. My friend Tom got me riled a little bit and you user name was in his message, so I did step into a pile this time. LOL

I do believe some posters on this thread don't have dogs.


If anyone has any questions about my dog power, whether hound, Cur, or beagle, there is plenty of videos on the UKC board to show what I hunt.

Back to the start of this thread, I think anyone who signs a petition to seceed has possibly committed treason.

The election is over and President Obama won.

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You are so easy it's not even fun .I take it all back ,youdid have one good dog but I trained her .lol But I still don't like your politics , the jobs are falling like flys. TOM

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Don't know where you get your"FACTS" According to US taxation statistics the top 10% pay 71% of all taxes collected in Us. The bottom 50% pay 2% of all taxes payed.

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