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blackflagginit
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Registered: Oct 2012
Location: burnt district MO/KS border
Posts: 787

Re: shocker

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Originally posted by headless01
that must be why these big name world beaters strike on off game and get plussed when they run across a coon. thats promoting?

and the very sad truth is that somewhere along the line people with Jims idea of it being a compitition instead of an evaluation took hold and the above is the result.

in my tenure of night hunts I watched TONS of dogs with huge titles who couldnt for the life of them pass a .22 test. A bunch of them even refused to leave your feet if cast alone. I once scratched a big name walker female, because she was the only dog left in the cast and had 34 minutes left to hunt. she never left our feet and was scratched for refusing to hunt.....with a score of 1250+.

her owner and handler BEGGED to just let the time run out on the leash but i was having none of that( i was a non hunting judge). Sad part was while cast with other dogs she was a go yonder jesse who was split treed alot of the time....

theres a ton more i could tell ya about, but the point is when you decide its about a compitition instead of an evaluation......its real easy to let the tech and counterfits take over in the name of a WIN.

if its an evaluation, there is no bonus for cheaters or counterfits to show up....no reason to argue about what tech lends what advantage....

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JiM
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Registered: Sep 2010
Location: New Paris, Indiana
Posts: 7076

Yeah, yeah and yeah.........
If I had a dollar for every post on this forum about a titled dog that needs shot, I'd buy UKC and turn it over to you so you could make all ok. In the mean time, I'll just try to follow the rules they give us. As for the Alpha issue, I got one and on those semi-rare occasions when my dog hunts UKC, I'll just borrow my buddy's Astro and leave the shock collar home.

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bob country jr
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Registered: Nov 2005
Location: arkansas
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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
But of course PKC doesn't have "Honor Rules".

I must have missed the answer somewhere to this question.

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blackflagginit
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Registered: Oct 2012
Location: burnt district MO/KS border
Posts: 787

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Yeah, yeah and yeah.........
If I had a dollar for every post on this forum about a titled dog that needs shot, I'd buy UKC and turn it over to you so you could make all ok. In the mean time, I'll just try to follow the rules they give us. As for the Alpha issue, I got one and on those semi-rare occasions when my dog hunts UKC, I'll just borrow my buddy's Astro and leave the shock collar home.

Ukc can keep ukc

...(or any kc for that matter)...im very happy with my current method of selection. I dont need there rules, records, or events to conduct my evaluations

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10-15-2012 06:11 AM

dmbaker3
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Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Mercersburg, Pa.
Posts: 87

quote:
Originally posted by Cornbelt
[Tim MACHA has a signature on here that states:
Good people don't need laws, and bad people will always find a way to break them. I think this statement says allot in regards to why tracking devices should be allowed to be used in the hunts. I know you have to have rules to go by to judge a group of dogs in a hunt. But not allowing something good because someone may cheat seems to defeat the purpose since the cheater will likely find a way to cheat anyway. While the only one being punished is the guy that wouldn't cheat either way. [/B]

I agree 100%

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