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If you don't like UKC's rules, don't enter their hunts or register your dogs with them, or get on their FREE forum and whine about them.....

Find a different KC with "perfect" rules and go there. If you can't find a KC that suits you, start your own. Should be easy if you had the perfect rules.

It is called the "free market". Your ballot is your $.

Getting on their forum and bashing their rules takes real class.... Like bit&hing about a free meal....

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If you don't like UKC's rules, don't enter their hunts or register your dogs with them, or get on their FREE forum and whine about them.....

Find a different KC with "perfect" rules and go there. If you can't find a KC that suits you, start your own. Should be easy if you had the perfect rules.

It is called the "free market". Your ballot is your $.

Getting on their forum and bashing their rules takes real class.... Like bit&hing about a free meal....

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I think what alot of people are mad about is the rules arent consiston with any other hunt just special to the world! An final cast at that! Think that ukc should look at doing things a little diffrent! JMO I think that PKC handles these siutations alot better an the rules dont change from hunt to hunt only the hunt format , open or pro! early round hunting juges late round non hunting juges pro rules! Like i said i think UKC need to analize a few of the rules but hey JMO!

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I don't see why some think having OT on the final cast is a big deal. The objective is to find the best dog in the cast on that night. If that can't be determined after 2 hours then UKC wants to go in one hour intervals until a dog is proven worthy of being the best that night or the sun comes up. IMO this is a good thing..... the object is still to tree a coon right??? Well if u and I are out hunting coons and we hunt for 2 hours and your dog tracks the whole time without treeing a coon and my dog pulls up short once, which dog would put more coon in the fur shed? Don't know yet, lets give them another hour and see. My dog trees a coon in the next hour while yours tracks for another hour. Now if we were coon hunting and one dog treed a coon/put fur in the fur shed and the other didn't over the same time and ground hunted we know which dog did better that night.

Not seeing why it matters that there is no OT before the final cast. The dogs in the final cast gained no advantage getting to the final cast. Obviously time constraints won't allow the OT to be used in all rounds and casts and I'm sure that is one reason why it isn't. But I can't see that the dogs in the final cast getting OT in the final cast had any effect on any other dogs or casts getting there. No dog or cast was allowed OT until the final cast..... which was determined by the rules well in advance of any world hunt event this year.

I'm sure some will say it wasn't tied but if we are scoring on coons/plus points, it is a tie. Like I said above a dog out tracking all night proved no more his coon treeing ability than the one who pulled up slick. Now going forward in the hunt the dog with no minus obviously has a huge advantage if they both tree a coon in the next hour. My point is until a dog trees a coon no one should be declared the winner. Since there are rules allowing extra time to find a winner for this one hunt... IMO I think this is right and a good idea. What is the advantage of not seeing if we can determine a winner?

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Registered: Jan 2012
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The scores of the world hunt and autumn oaks are what im thinkin about.Thats two casts of what are the top dogs in the nation and they have such a hard time treein coons.Kinda weird.Maybe we should make it 200 minus and your scratched.Thats my thought

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I don't see why some think having OT on the final cast is a big deal. The objective is to find the best dog in the cast on that night. If that can't be determined after 2 hours then UKC wants to go in one hour intervals until a dog is proven worthy of being the best that night or the sun comes up. IMO this is a good thing..... the object is still to tree a coon right??? Well if u and I are out hunting coons and we hunt for 2 hours and your dog tracks the whole time without treeing a coon and my dog pulls up short once, which dog would put more coon in the fur shed? Don't know yet, lets give them another hour and see. My dog trees a coon in the next hour while yours tracks for another hour. Now if we were coon hunting and one dog treed a coon/put fur in the fur shed and the other didn't over the same time and ground hunted we know which dog did better that night.

Not seeing why it matters that there is no OT before the final cast. The dogs in the final cast gained no advantage getting to the final cast. Obviously time constraints won't allow the OT to be used in all rounds and casts and I'm sure that is one reason why it isn't. But I can't see that the dogs in the final cast getting OT in the final cast had any effect on any other dogs or casts getting there. No dog or cast was allowed OT until the final cast..... which was determined by the rules well in advance of any world hunt event this year.

I'm sure some will say it wasn't tied but if we are scoring on coons/plus points, it is a tie. Like I said above a dog out tracking all night proved no more his coon treeing ability than the one who pulled up slick. Now going forward in the hunt the dog with no minus obviously has a huge advantage if they both tree a coon in the next hour. My point is until a dog trees a coon no one should be declared the winner. Since there are rules allowing extra time to find a winner for this one hunt... IMO I think this is right and a good idea. What is the advantage of not seeing if we can determine a winner?

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Originally posted by tsbtater
If you don't like UKC's rules, don't enter their hunts or register your dogs with them, or get on their FREE forum and whine about them.....

Find a different KC with "perfect" rules and go there. If you can't find a KC that suits you, start your own. Should be easy if you had the perfect rules.

It is called the "free market". Your ballot is your $.

Getting on their forum and bashing their rules takes real class.... Like bit&hing about a free meal....

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cornbelt
[B]I don't see why some think having OT on the final cast is a big deal. The objective is to find the best dog in the cast on that night.

Have to disagree with 1 thing here. It's not to find out who was the best dog that night. The world hunt is not just one night. Ukc world hunt is trying to find out who has the best dog from the start of the event to the final night of the event. So why can't 1 dog from every cast not have the chance to advance. If he trees a coon in ot then he or she was the best in his cast that night as well and should get the chance to advance. It's not a one night hunt at all. Just like when Terry Daniels won it and guys ripped on duke i told them the same thing he may not be the best but he was the best from start to the finish that year. Not just 1 night.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cornbelt
[B]I don't see why some think having OT on the final cast is a big deal. The objective is to find the best dog in the cast on that night.

Have to disagree with 1 thing here. It's not to find out who was the best dog that night. The world hunt is not just one night. Ukc world hunt is trying to find out who has the best dog from the start of the event to the final night of the event. So why can't 1 dog from every cast not have the chance to advance. If he trees a coon in ot then he or she was the best in his cast that night as well and should get the chance to advance. It's not a one night hunt at all. Just like when Terry Daniels won it and guys ripped on duke i told them the same thing he may not be the best but he was the best from start to the finish that year. Not just 1 night.

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KYLE I WOULD RATHER WIN 2 HRS AND WIN WITH MINUS OR CIRCLE THEN HUNT 3,4,5, HRS UNTILL THEY TREE A COON.....HUNTS ARE SET A 2 HRS FOR A REASON ITS A COMP.HUNT NOT A PLEASURE HUNT.......THIS IS STARTING TO BE A DEAD HORSE AND EVERYONE HAS A OPINION GOT TO GO TRYIN TO GET ONE READY FOR THE PKC WORLD HUNT......2 HRS PLUS,MINUS OR CIRCLE........

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cornbelt
[B]I don't see why some think having OT on the final cast is a big deal. The objective is to find the best dog in the cast on that night.

Have to disagree with 1 thing here. It's not to find out who was the best dog that night. The world hunt is not just one night. Ukc world hunt is trying to find out who has the best dog from the start of the event to the final night of the event. So why can't 1 dog from every cast not have the chance to advance. If he trees a coon in ot then he or she was the best in his cast that night as well and should get the chance to advance. It's not a one night hunt at all. Just like when Terry Daniels won it and guys ripped on duke i told them the same thing he may not be the best but he was the best from start to the finish that year. Not just 1 night.

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KYLE I WOULD RATHER WIN 2 HRS AND WIN WITH MINUS OR CIRCLE THEN HUNT 3,4,5, HRS UNTILL THEY TREE A COON.....HUNTS ARE SET A 2 HRS FOR A REASON ITS A COMP.HUNT NOT A PLEASURE HUNT.......THIS IS STARTING TO BE A DEAD HORSE AND EVERYONE HAS A OPINION GOT TO GO TRYIN TO GET ONE READY FOR THE PKC WORLD HUNT......2 HRS PLUS,MINUS OR CIRCLE........

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Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
KYLE I WOULD RATHER WIN 2 HRS AND WIN WITH MINUS OR CIRCLE THEN HUNT 3,4,5, HRS UNTILL THEY TREE A COON.....HUNTS ARE SET A 2 HRS FOR A REASON ITS A COMP.HUNT NOT A PLEASURE HUNT.......THIS IS STARTING TO BE A DEAD HORSE AND EVERYONE HAS A OPINION GOT TO GO TRYIN TO GET ONE READY FOR THE PKC WORLD HUNT......2 HRS PLUS,MINUS OR CIRCLE........

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The rormat is what it is, it has to be set up to work with the facility, the host clubs the available hunting territory and the available judges and guides. If it was only about the dogs you could hunt the entire 104 dogs all 4 rounds and award the dog with the most plus points. That would be 7 hours in the woods for every dog but the logistics would make it impossible.

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Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
KYLE I WOULD RATHER WIN 2 HRS AND WIN WITH MINUS OR CIRCLE THEN HUNT 3,4,5, HRS UNTILL THEY TREE A COON.....HUNTS ARE SET A 2 HRS FOR A REASON ITS A COMP.HUNT NOT A PLEASURE HUNT.......THIS IS STARTING TO BE A DEAD HORSE AND EVERYONE HAS A OPINION GOT TO GO TRYIN TO GET ONE READY FOR THE PKC WORLD HUNT......2 HRS PLUS,MINUS OR CIRCLE........

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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Virginia
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why don;t you bunch of flat landers go hunt for 30 minutes and then call it a nite. have a good day.

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why don;t you bunch of flat landers go hunt for 30 minutes and then call it a nite. have a good day.

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