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If you've had your dog it's whole life, I'd say you did. I'm not knocking your dog but...thats 1 in 10 trees is empty..not a great average. A dogs nose is so powerful, they know more than we care to admit, when there is a coon in the tree and when there aint. They can smell when a coon goes up and comes back down...they can smell a coon going up a tree...and also air scent drifting down cuz there's a coon in it. Honestly, it's not so much to ask for a dog to be 99.9% accurate. Infact, it's very easy for a dog to be. Try this,,take a worthless hound and fill a sock with it's feed. Drag it in the woods and hide it, in trees where it cant see it, under blowdowns, in some water. I GUARANTEE the dog will find it 100% of the time. Ya know why?..because the only reward it gets it being able to eat. Not pet by us through our hopes, or false shining...not rewarded by us leashing it and going home to a warm box (yes thats a reward to some hounds). Not trying to be long winded and I'm not picking on you but we all need to stop thinking 80 to 90% is acceptable. 100% is an acceptable goal to strive for..and attainable too. It's all in the training..and the culling I suppose. All dogs have it in them, some just dont want to let it out...whether by our sloppiness, trauma, diet, surroundings, or other cause.

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Well first of all let me say that I dont count a "den" tree as a tree "for" my dogs accuracy. Truth be known she could and probably does have the coon much more than that but I SEE THE COON 90% of the time. I dont count den trees in her favor. I must SEE THE COON in order to count it in her favor. However I STRONGLY DISAGREE with the statement that you made about all dogs having it in them to be accurate. Treeing a coon aint easy. Some dogs make it look easy. Many dogs (particuarly of the tri colored variety ) are not capable of actually "FINDING A COON". Just my opinion.

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If you've had your dog it's whole life, I'd say you did. I'm not knocking your dog but...thats 1 in 10 trees is empty..not a great average. A dogs nose is so powerful, they know more than we care to admit, when there is a coon in the tree and when there aint. They can smell when a coon goes up and comes back down...they can smell a coon going up a tree...and also air scent drifting down cuz there's a coon in it. Honestly, it's not so much to ask for a dog to be 99.9% accurate. Infact, it's very easy for a dog to be. Try this,,take a worthless hound and fill a sock with it's feed. Drag it in the woods and hide it, in trees where it cant see it, under blowdowns, in some water. I GUARANTEE the dog will find it 100% of the time. Ya know why?..because the only reward it gets it being able to eat. Not pet by us through our hopes, or false shining...not rewarded by us leashing it and going home to a warm box (yes thats a reward to some hounds). Not trying to be long winded and I'm not picking on you but we all need to stop thinking 80 to 90% is acceptable. 100% is an acceptable goal to strive for..and attainable too. It's all in the training..and the culling I suppose. All dogs have it in them, some just dont want to let it out...whether by our sloppiness, trauma, diet, surroundings, or other cause.

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I owned my dog sinse 18 months old. She's was a pretty accurate dog ever sinse I owned her. I never tried to "train" her to be accurate. She's just a SMART DOG WITH COON FINDING ABILITY.

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Not looking for an arguement...but are you saying there are many tricolor dogs that cant find coons? By tricolor are you talking about blueticks? (black, tan, and white)? Or redbones (red with a white blaze and black muzzle)? or Plott (brindle with brown face and white toe)? or English (white, tan, and red)? Sheepster, stop being Sheepster for a second.

there are excellent dogs in all 6 breeds of coonhounds so stop with the color favorotism...thats a sure sign of a dummy! I think you need to have your "you know what" handed to you by someone running a walker and that'll change your tune. Perhaps thats really why you dislike all the Nite Hunts huh? A generalized statement like that has moron written all over it Sheep. It's not the color that makes or breaks a dog. From what I've read on here so far, I have a lab that would give you and your dogs a run for your money. Now dont make me angry sheep, you wouldnt like me when I'm angry.

This whole post is nothing but an attempt by you to stir up trouble. Thats what you do right? How about going 48 hrs. without causing an arguement. And again, I truely dont understand how you can keep coming back here when you draw that type of attention to yourself. How long do you sit in front of your mirror saying your daily affirmations? must be a few hours after reading all this stuff about yourself every day!

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THERE SURE ARENT MANY PEOPLE VOTING THAT THEY ARE ACURATE HOUNDS.

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I voted Clover, the old Clover. Lone Pine stuff.

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My dog is 90% accurate. And I dont mean dens. I mean COON SEEN. Not scorecard/fantasy score, I mean .22 RIFLE SCORE. Who taught her to do that???

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My Vote is Nethery's Log Woods Chester

He is from an all Coondog Pedigree, as a mater of fact, he is the only hound on his pedigree.

Sheep he made it, Chester the Grade Treeing Walker is now honest to goodness UKC Registered, the hard way, he Struck Ran and Treed his own Coon, for a UKC licensed Master of Hounds.


He will never be a Purple Ribbon Bred hound, but he is a Sure Nuff Coon Treeing Heart Thumpin adreniline Pumping Coondog!!!

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My Vote is Nethery's Log Woods Chester

He is from an all Coondog Pedigree, as a mater of fact, he is the only hound on his pedigree.

Sheep he made it, Chester the Grade Treeing Walker is now honest to goodness UKC Registered, the hard way, he Struck Ran and Treed his own Coon, for a UKC licensed Master of Hounds.


He will never be a Purple Ribbon Bred hound, but he is a Sure Nuff Coon Treeing Heart Thumpin adreniline Pumping Coondog!!!

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To get a coon treed, you need a hound with the instinct to tree. That's a necessity! You can't tree a coon with a dog that won't tree.

Tracking. You need a dog that can work a track to the right tree, if you expect to see a coon! Treeing ability, without tracking ability is worthless.

Treeing ability is natural. Tracking ability (meaning finishing it right) is the largest part of the job (excepting lay-ups). This improves with experience (especially in the cut-over timber I hunt).

Is the tree the end of the track? Yes or No?





If you answered yes, you're a fool! If you answered yes, you're more prone to have a slick treeing dog. The correct answer is : The end of the track is where the coon is (it could be a tree or a hole, etc.).

If you had to eat what's in your trees, or sell what's in your trees, you'd have a different perspective. That's what hunting is about. It's about producing the game!!!

Circle points are of value only in competition. In real hunting, circle points indicate a failure to produce the game. Only in competition is failure not counted against you. Circle it!, and go hungry! It's not hunting, it's competition. Buy a hamburger! That will nourish you more than what your dog has in it's empty tree.

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i voted lipper they are the most accurate hounds around these parts just not alot of them.

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Well, you might think they are not accurate but here is a little fact for you, @ 84% of all UKC world champions are Walkers and they had to tree some real live coons to win that title. Also about 99% of all PKC champions are walkers too.

Say sheep how many world champion blueticks are there???
Perhaps they are the ones with the problem treeing coons.

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I think "real live coons" was a term invented by walker people to distinguish those trees that they seem convinced hold a coon (but don't) from from those that actually have coons in them. They know deep down the tree is empty, so another term has to be used to describe a tree with a coon in it.

400 plus and 400 circle wins alot of hunts. 400 plus and 400 minus means an early trip back to the truck. No more coons treed or plus points scored, but a totally different outcome in the hunt. Thats how dogs that slick tree can win.

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Well John I guided all three nights at black and tan days and had all black and tan days and I am here to tell you those black and tan boys sure will cirlce a tree so fast your head will spin...

To win a world hunt you have non hunting judges and they score the tree not the handlers....

I think slick treeing is just the off colored dog owners way of making themselves feel good when they go back losers AGAIN!

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Well John I guided all three nights at black and tan days and had all black and tan days and I am here to tell you those black and tan boys sure will cirlce a tree so fast your head will spin...

To win a world hunt you have non hunting judges and they score the tree not the handlers....

I think slick treeing is just the off colored dog owners way of making themselves feel good when they go back losers AGAIN!

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He was probably a nonhunting guide. He could have entered a walker, but at B&T Days there's a good chance he'd have drawn 2-3 black dogs and I'm guessing he saw the risk in that.

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John D, No I was just guiding, they was judging. And no I did not enter a dog, worked all day then headed to the satellite club to guide no time to drive 45 miles to Cuba to enter a dog. But I see you are from MO will gladly drop my Walkers with your black and tans any time.

Why must you be so critical worked hard to make your BT days better. Did you hunt and if so how did your dogs do???

Hunted an 18 month old walker at walker days got 8th place she also has two first to go with that... in 6 hunts won all casts but one.

So do you want to hunt against my Grandnight, night or open dog? Got some of each....

Unlike alot of folks I am not a computer coon hunter... We hunt 4-5 nights a week.

PS when was the last black and tan that won a world hunt???

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