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....... So we resumed the shine time and found that there was a coon in Dog B's tree and there was another on the broken branch going from A's tree to B's tree.

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Kyle. I haven't seen anyone saying the dog must be where the coon went up. What I am saying is he can't cover two different places at the same time, pick one or the other. But of course they can because UKC says they can. So that's how we judge it.

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another senario dog catches coon and kills it then comes in to cast cast processes in dir an d fins dead con do u still want to unminus it

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Here is a litle different sereneo. Dog is struck and treed. Cast proceeds to tree after 5 is up and dog is handled. The tree is a small tree and the cast shines for about 4 minutes and handler of dog says he is satisied that the tree is slick. He minuses his points and calls time out. As he is unleasing his dog from the tree he looks up the tree and not 1 but 2 coons are looking at him. The other cast members tell him he still has time left in the ten to go ahead and plus the tree, but he refuses because he has already scored the tree and the minus stands. Was this the right call. This happened on a hunt last night.

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Kyle. I haven't seen anyone saying the dog must be where the coon went up. What I am saying is he can't cover two different places at the same time, pick one or the other. But of course they can because UKC says they can. So that's how we judge it.

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Here is a litle different sereneo. Dog is struck and treed. Cast proceeds to tree after 5 is up and dog is handled. The tree is a small tree and the cast shines for about 4 minutes and handler of dog says he is satisied that the tree is slick. He minuses his points and calls time out. As he is unleasing his dog from the tree he looks up the tree and not 1 but 2 coons are looking at him. The other cast members tell him he still has time left in the ten to go ahead and plus the tree, but he refuses because he has already scored the tree and the minus stands. Was this the right call. This happened on a hunt last night.

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Here is a litle different sereneo. Dog is struck and treed. Cast proceeds to tree after 5 is up and dog is handled. The tree is a small tree and the cast shines for about 4 minutes and handler of dog says he is satisied that the tree is slick. He minuses his points and calls time out. As he is unleasing his dog from the tree he looks up the tree and not 1 but 2 coons are looking at him. The other cast members tell him he still has time left in the ten to go ahead and plus the tree, but he refuses because he has already scored the tree and the minus stands. Was this the right call. This happened on a hunt last night.

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One tree at the top is not one tree at the bottom in my opinion and I side with Jim.

two seperate dogs on two different tree trunks can be scored as one and I agree. but a dog that running back and fourth on trees that could be 30-50 feet apart should be minused even if it is one tree at the top. A dog must stay treed. With UKC allowing this movement gives power to the old myth "treeing under the canopy" if a dog is circling a tree canopy that is 40' in diameter he would be minused with me judging and the samething as for a dog bouncing back and fourth between bases of a tree that is a distance apart

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Here is a litle different sereneo. Dog is struck and treed. Cast proceeds to tree after 5 is up and dog is handled. The tree is a small tree and the cast shines for about 4 minutes and handler of dog says he is satisied that the tree is slick. He minuses his points and calls time out. As he is unleasing his dog from the tree he looks up the tree and not 1 but 2 coons are looking at him. The other cast members tell him he still has time left in the ten to go ahead and plus the tree, but he refuses because he has already scored the tree and the minus stands. Was this the right call. This happened on a hunt last night.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
I dont see a problem with correcting the card, shine time hadnt expired and even though time out had been called we know UKC. allows us to score a tree during timeout as long as the dog was treed before timeout was called.
If we want to see the dog that does the best job win the cast we gotta plus em when they are right and minus em when they are wrong.

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I dont see a problem with correcting the card, shine time hadnt expired and even though time out had been called we know UKC. allows us to score a tree during timeout as long as the dog was treed before timeout was called.
If we want to see the dog that does the best job win the cast we gotta plus em when they are right and minus em when they are wrong.

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John, the Advisor states that shinetime stops when the tree is scored. But of course in this day and age of "oops, lets do that one over", I'm sure UKC will agree with you that we can score the tree, call time, then uncall time and unscored, rescore and then call time again. Just like Burger King....HAVE YOUR WAY!!!!

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John, the Advisor states that shinetime stops when the tree is scored. But of course in this day and age of "oops, lets do that one over", I'm sure UKC will agree with you that we can score the tree, call time, then uncall time and unscored, rescore and then call time again. Just like Burger King....HAVE YOUR WAY!!!!

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I think any time a MISTAKE is made AND you know FOR SURE a dog got minused when it shouldn't had. The score should be fixed. Isn't that what good sportsmen do? We do have judges that are capeable of makeing mistakes. What is the big deal if they miss a call and fix it?

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I think any time a MISTAKE is made AND you know FOR SURE a dog got minused when it shouldn't had. The score should be fixed. Isn't that what good sportsmen do? We do have judges that are capeable of makeing mistakes. What is the big deal if they miss a call and fix it?

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Maybe give us all a mulligan to use on every cast lol.

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I think any time a MISTAKE is made AND you know FOR SURE a dog got minused when it shouldn't had. The score should be fixed. Isn't that what good sportsmen do? We do have judges that are capeable of makeing mistakes. What is the big deal if they miss a call and fix it?

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We have to draw the line somewhere. The other night I struck off another man's dog. I took my minus, maybe I should have said I wanted a do over. lol

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Interview the greatest Handler you ever saw and ask him if he ever "pitched" a dog in. If he says "yes" ,"because there was 3 minuites and 49 .8 seconds left in the hunt", then he can be our hero flavor of the month club. If he says "No" he probably aint that great of a handler anyway. We will figure he is kind of dumb and slow.

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I disagree with you If a two trees are scored as one tree then a dog can go back and forth Its being scored as one tree. Its like a dog that sits off a tree and runs back to it. I would not want my dog to do this but that is how you score it.

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You have described a curdog characteristic. Close to getting a minus every time. Don't you know that a coondog is supposed to hookup with both feet and bellyrub and bough and curtsey when the judge gets there?
I saw a new line I like pretty good but they ain't caught on yet but they will. They tree on the tree and lift a front leg and point , like a pointer , to where the coon is at in the tree while cutting looose 150 barks per minuite. I recon these old belly rubbers will be a thing of the passed before you know it.

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