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Ask wich carries the most weight Grand night or Platinum and anyone who told the truth and was informed would answer Platinum.I have hunted with more then one Grandnight who couldn't tree their own coon,and wouldn't go hunting by themself.

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Take the dog right by itself in the dead of winter, if you see coon after coon, no trash no slicks. Thats the best title you can have.

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I'm not sure that you have to be extremely well informed to have an opinion on this subject. It is clear that the different titles mean different things to different people. I believe anyone taking their dogs to the hunts to compete in either registry are doing good things for coon hunting and the clubs supporting the sport. In UKC you hunt for a trophy or maybe just a poor boy, with wins going toward a title. In PKC you hunt for money. Competition in both registries costs the average hunter some hard earned money. Unless you're a winner in a major event neither one will help your bank account. Giving hunters a choice is a good thing for our sport.

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To become a PKC champion in one hunt that hunt has to be a fifty dollar hunt with about 50-60 entries. You have to be one of the top four scoring dogs. If you split at this point you only get $290. If you hunt it off the most you can win for first is $638. Second is $290. I think.

So, you have to score higher than 12 other casts and then beat 3 other dogs in the same cast, on the same night. I will promise you the other 3 dogs will be coondogs and there is a %99 chance you have one too.

So to me if it is not harder to make a PKC champion then it is at least as hard as a Nite Champion.

P.S. I have finished dogs to both.

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why not just git both

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How many points does a registered dog get for a first place win? I forget. Is it 40 for first, 35 second, 30 third, 25 fourth? 20 fifth, 15 sixth, 10 seventh, 10 eigth.

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i may have missed somthing , but i see that a few guys think you can make pkc ch in one night. it can be done but most of the time the means you have to win 2 cast back to back ,and that 2nd cast has to be hunted with the 3 high scoring dogs of the other cast,,,,, how is that easy?

Pup Derby-29 entries
Chance, Pete Lueker, 275+
Silk, Jeff Travis, 225+
Dizzy, Mike Dohoney, T A Evans, 175+
Money, J C Ellis, Bill Morris, 175+

and pkc does post the cast scores. this is from this weekend .

i dont understand why its got to be pkc or ukc cant we all get along, ive been to a couple of ukc hunts and have been treated like a comunist because i hunt and support pkc

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All the comments are very interesting.
There is one thing that has not been addressed, and that is entry fees and expenses. Most UKC hunts are $15, so for comparison sake we should use the $15 open hunt pay offs..

I have been to about a 1/2 dozen UKC hunts in the past 6 months and the most dogs at any of them was 11. So, we should use the 12 dog payout at a $15 hunt to compare.

UKC... quickest ... 3 hunts (3 cast wins) $45 in entry fees = 3 trophies and Nt ch degree

PKC... quickest....9 hunts (18 cast wins) $135 in entry fees= $518.40 cash and ch degree... 3 times the hunts, 3 times the gas and expenses. 18 cast wins needed because you win the first round and go back against the other cast winners to get the most payback ($57.60 for 1st) best against the best on the same ground.
6 times the # of cast wins, 3 times the entry fees
How many times have you seen someone win 18 casts in a row?
Which looks easier now? Just something to think about!

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i have had dogs at ukc events 4 times this year.
1st time..RQE. took three dogs...1 was highest scoring dog of hunt another 3rd. so two of the three qualified for world.
2nd time went to a mini slam. hunted three dogs. three diffent dogs than what i carried to the fist ukc hunt. won with two again. one got his only win in ukc. the only one he has ever been in. another just got entry money back. didn't make the top 4 that got 1st place wins. the third lost his cast. he had 512.5 plus 525 plus won his cast.
3rd took one dog. RQE. highest scoring dog of the hunt. another qualified for world
4th time got his 4 win to grand.
pkc i'm lucky to win 35% of the cast we hunt.
we have 4 that are in the top 10 of there st and should get national tickets.......we hope
i believe pkc is harder to win. jmo

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I saw a few replies saying go to local PKC hunts and see how easy it is to win. It is very seldom that there is a PKC hunt within 50 miles of my home. No one shows up at them and most folks in my area don't take any pride in winning with minus or circle. I also saw some posts stating that very seldom are casts won with minus or circle. I know for sure that the PKC World Hunt has been won with circle before. I know that there are good hounds in both and that many are the same hounds but I just prefer UKC because of the rules and the background they have. PKC may do better in my area if they had the right clubs and representation backing them. This is just my opinion.

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if you sell alot of dogs as i do , ukc grand nite ch bring alot more money than a pkc title

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Gr Nt means more to rookies.

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Mr. Altman,
How many PKC Silver Ch have you had that you could or would sell? Silver, ($4000 won) compares with ukc grand, I would think.

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If the Kennel Clubs & the Hunters keep arguing & competing for basically the same dogs, on the same nights, along with fewer hunting spots I think that in 10-15 years you will be looking at one Kennel Club with a low participation rate. From the start, PKC would usually have an added money Hunt in the same area as UKC was having a Breed or bigger Hunt. I don't think it's the difference in the dogs as much as it's the difference in the people attending each KC clubs Hunts. From my experience of attending Comp. Hunts since 1948, the attitude of the Comp. Hunter has really changed. Most of todays hunters that hunt UKC only, have more of the pleasure hunters attitude, where as the PKC only, hunter has more of the gambling attitude. I don't know how many times that I've walked into a clubhouse to enter my dog in a PKC Hunt, & there would be a poker game going on over in the corner or in the back room until draw out time. If UKC were to fold up, I'm not sure if many of the UKC only, hunters would start going to PKC Hunts, & if PKC were to fold up, I'm not sure that many of the PKC only, hunters would start going to UKC Hunts. If the same attitude continues among the coonhunting fraternity, I believe that in the near future we will be looking at Comp. Coon Hunts the same way as we're looking at the Passenger Pigeon now.

I have other views on the Pros & Cons of both UKC & PKC, but for now I'll just say that maybe AKC is just sitting back in the wings waiting & watching the other two kill each other off & then take over??????????

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Gr Nt meant something 15 - 20 years ago before PKC took off.

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[B]Mr. Altman,
How many PKC Silver Ch have you had that you could or would sell? Silver, ($4000 won) compares with ukc grand, I would think. [/ B]

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point well taken

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why is it that this UKC web site always has to try to take polls on PKC and UKC. I never seen any stupid polls on prohound trying to degrade ukc i see on her alot were UKC hunters try to degrade PKC hunts as far as how much they suck and how you can win with minus and circle....... and can someone that hunts UKC tell me how come ukc can come in with 1300 - 1500 plus points and ive only been coonhunting for 7 years but ive never been on a PKC cast that has scored over 850 but i know casts (few and far between) have but the scores in UKC just get ridiculous.

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BUT A TOP DOG IS A TOP DOG WHEREVER YOU CUT HIM. I HAVE NOT HUNTED PKC BUT AM THINKING ABOUT TRYING IT OUT. I LIVE CLOSE TO ONE OF THE TOP 10 DOGS (PKC) IN OKLA. AND HAVE HUNTED WITH HER QUITE A BIT, SHE IS ALSO A GR. NITE. SHE IS A AWFULLY NICE DOG, ON THE OTHER HAND I HUNT WITH A MALE THAT HAS NO TITLE AT ALL AND HE NO DOUBHT WOULD BE MY CHOICE OF THE TWO (AS FAR AS COONDOGS GO, NOT REP. BY ANYMEANS. THAT BITCH THROWS WINNERS). I JUST DONT BELIEVE THAT IT IS ANY HARDER TO BEAT THE 3 DOGS ON A UKC CAST AS ON A PKC CAST AND VICE VERSA. TO TAKE UP FOR PKC HUNTERS, I DOUBHT VERY SERIOUSLY YOU GONNA WIN TO MANY WITH MINUS HUNTS (TO MANY TREE GRABBERS) J/K. AS FOR MAAKE BELIEVE COONS IN UKC (IM SURE PKC HUNTERS CAN PRETEND TO), THREE OTHER FOLKS HAS TO MAKE BELIEVE TO. BUT LIKE I SAID UP ABOVE, A TOP DOG IS A TOP DAWG WHEREVER YOU CUT'EM. MOST OF THE TIME ANYWAYS.

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I like the idea of needing plus points to win, but I also feel it causes more telephone poles to be circled than any rule out there. We went to a youth hunt Saturday night, and I had a judge tell me how impressed he was with my son's honesty, because he told the judge a tree was slick and it deserved to be minused, even though he had 1st and 1st on the tree. To me that should be normal, but obviously it isn't if the judge was that impressed with my boy. So even though in PKC you can win a cast with circle or minus, I feel that in UKC there are plenty of trees that should be minused, that end up circled; because guys aren't willing to take their minus for fear of having to overcome those minus to win with plus points. Just my observations.

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i cant answer which degree is better but i will say this pkc followers will pick your dog apart more often than ukc hunters i have seen more withdraws in pkc or ukc hunts with pkc hunters involved .... they seem to know the other 3 dogs in the cast better than the handlers do...lol

now dont try and quote me as hating pkc i hunt akc,pkc and pkc im telling you what experiences i have had

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