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huh? that makes about as much sense as not driving because you had a wreck
how does he look better than anything you hunt him with when you keep him away from everything so nobody knows what you have?

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Another one who likes to add things to what they read.............
I didn't say they were winning everything.
And , if you don't know the difference between a "real" breeder and someone who's selling puppies , how you ever gonna know what a "real" coondog is?

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I have hunted all bloodlines from Walkers. Especially the Rover Bend Flag, Lipper and Yadkin River lines and EVERY dog I ever hunted hit a spell of slick treeing. All were fairly easy to make them quit. 1-2 were harder headed. But folks who write a bloodline off as slick treers are lacking on common sense and training ability.

As for Jackbob..he is as hateful on the phone as he is on here.

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I have hunted all bloodlines from Walkers. Especially the Rover Bend Flag, Lipper and Yadkin River lines and EVERY dog I ever hunted hit a spell of slick treeing. All were fairly easy to make them quit. 1-2 were harder headed. But folks who write a bloodline off as slick treers are lacking on common sense and training ability.

As for Jackbob..he is as hateful on the phone as he is on here.

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First off, any man who shoots a dog for doin anything but being vicious, needs to be shot themselves. A lot of you are freakin rediculious.
If you cannot train a dog, you have no business owning dogs. I have however had a dog in the past that I could not train to quit slick treeing. I passed her on to another man honestly and hoped for the best.
The traits that you get from breeding are intelligence, strength of their nose, body features,their looks, and voice. No matter how good of a bloodline you have, you are going to have different dogs. This is very evident as it is by looking at your brother or sister. You can have the prettiest hound in the woods and it be dumb as a rock, or vice versa. Some dogs require more training than others just because of their intelligence. Some are faster learners than others.
No matter the size, look, color, or anythin else, it comes down to their nose and how smart they are. Persistence and repitition in training is what makes a dog in the end. I blame most bad habits of dogs on their trainers.
Keep a dog healthy and in the woods, correct their mistakes in a correct manner, and you will have what you guys call a COONDOG.

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First off, any man who shoots a dog for doin anything but being vicious, needs to be shot themselves. A lot of you are freakin rediculious.
If you cannot train a dog, you have no business owning dogs. I have however had a dog in the past that I could not train to quit slick treeing. I passed her on to another man honestly and hoped for the best.
The traits that you get from breeding are intelligence, strength of their nose, body features,their looks, and voice. No matter how good of a bloodline you have, you are going to have different dogs. This is very evident as it is by looking at your brother or sister. You can have the prettiest hound in the woods and it be dumb as a rock, or vice versa. Some dogs require more training than others just because of their intelligence. Some are faster learners than others.
No matter the size, look, color, or anythin else, it comes down to their nose and how smart they are. Persistence and repitition in training is what makes a dog in the end. I blame most bad habits of dogs on their trainers.
Keep a dog healthy and in the woods, correct their mistakes in a correct manner, and you will have what you guys call a COONDOG.

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we can aruge for ever about this issue you got the old school hunters like myself that will cull theses worthless slick treeing dogs that aint got enough sense to check make sure coon didnt tap and went on they just sit on that tree and tree like hes there aftera few times of doing that i put them were they belong dog heaven then thier slick treeing genes dont get get passed along in the breed then you got theses new gen of hunters that think you can correct i would say maybe 1 out of 5 might get straitened out but you stiil hve them slick treeing genes going on in that blood that not bettering the breed thats just letting the bad genes go on jmo

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thanks to everyone for the tips, i will take them all into consideration..

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Dont pet your dog up on a tree unless you see the coon. Go right in to the tree and chain dog up as soon as you get there EVERYTIME. Then shine the tree. if it's a den or coon could be there it's ok to cut loose again or go to a new spot but dont pet or praise the dog. If the tree is slick, scold the dog and ALWAYS send the dog on. If it slicks again send it on until it has a coon. Remember, never pet that dog unless you see the coon, even if it's a den. You can't be sure the coon is in the den or not. Think of it like a night hunt. Pet the dog if it would get plus points, do nothing if it would be circled and scold or whip the dog and send on if it should get minuse points.
I always try to end the night with the dog under a coon. This gives the dog something to think about till the next time you take them. I have stayed out many a night way later than I planned because I was determined not to put that dog up till it did a good job and had the coon. Slick treeing is a bad thing, but you can correct it in most dogs if you are consistant in your correction. If the leaves are off and the weather decent, you can probably stop this in about 5 to 10 nights of hunting the dog alone. Dogs learn by repitition and most slick treeing dogs have been praised on every tree when the are young, right or wrong...big mistake! When you have to break a dog from bad behavior it must also be done through repitition. It is best to ALWAYS try to do this with a dog by themselves if possible and try to do it when the leaves are off! This is the method I have used in the past with great results....Shane

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we can aruge for ever about this issue you got the old school hunters like myself that will cull theses worthless slick treeing dogs that aint got enough sense to check make sure coon didnt tap and went on they just sit on that tree and tree like hes there aftera few times of doing that i put them were they belong dog heaven then thier slick treeing genes dont get get passed along in the breed then you got theses new gen of hunters that think you can correct i would say maybe 1 out of 5 might get straitened out but you stiil hve them slick treeing genes going on in that blood that not bettering the breed thats just letting the bad genes go on jmo

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I HAVE ONE HERE U COME AND HUNT WITH HIM AND SEE HOW MANY SLICKS HE WILL PULL IN 90 NITES OF HUNTING. AND HE HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED. HES THE OLD STYLE TRAILING HOUND!!

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First is a big jumpstart to having coondogs. As far as House bred dogs I totally agree with Jackbob(I think it was) as for the most part they were cold nosed trackdogs that would have the meat, but most weren't dogs you could just expect to tree on the first trip or two to the woods either. They usually tracked first & then started treeing slower than most lines today & matured into very accurate coondogs. I absolutley love House & Harry breeding more that any other lines of coondogs period. I can't stand a slick treeing dog either & there are lots that are simply bred to tree with no thought on tracking & track power should come first with treeing second & disposition being a big, big part of the equation.Some simply don't even think about it & make crosses that should never be made in the first place. There's no absolute guarantee in breeding, but thinking out coondog to coondog crosses should be well though out & when it clicks you have dogs to be proud of. This is one reason some linebreed to try to eliminate the weakness. Joe House was one of the best period & some have taken notice & keeping this line going in doing the same. Notice how many big winners used to be in this line generation after generation ??? As he got older & slowed down you don't see it as much, but it's still around & winning world hunts. Wonder why ??? Could it be that they were bred for balance ??? I think so. What's your opinion ??? Seriously. If everyone bred for tracking ability with some balence there would be far less slicktreeing dogs with no tracking ability. A big % of slicktreers are handler error as well, but mostly lack of tracking ability first & foremost. What do you all think. I honestly breed coondog to coondog crosses & hope for the best & use patience when needed in hopes of having extremely accurate coondogs that can hold their own night in night out.

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Times change and you need to hang up your light- this world keeps getting smarter and some insist in staying in the dark.

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Times change and you need to hang up your light- this world keeps getting smarter and some insist in staying in the dark.

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As for Jackbob..he is as hateful on the phone as he is on here.

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.... Jackbob when I read your posts I get the feeling that you look for a dog with big name and dont do this or that !! I am willing to bet they do most of what you hate. Training never seems to enter antyhing you talk about, you always say"well its breed into them" so shoot em. Well Maybe this is why you have'nt hunted in the hunts since yoiu were 16, and I bet if you had a dog that you didnt have to shoot and a dog that you may have "trained" to be some short of a dawg you would of been at the hunts.......Your excuse is everybody else's fault for breeding into them. That's Lame!!!

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lol. Every pup is different & sometimes it's hard to figure them out. I personally don't do much petting or praising in the woods when they don't need or deserve it. I also will not turn my dog off of it's tree to another dogs treed coon for the sake of giving it a coon that they had no part in treeing. Just doesn't make sense to me to do. I also pretty much agree with Jackbob as it (coon treeing ability) is pretty much a bred in trait. If they don't have tracking ability they simply don't have the ability to tree coons consistently. Thick & thin coon make a huge difference in different areas of the country, but a true coondog can usually adjust & does pretty well. Thick coon some dogs get their minds blowed & look bad until they figure out how to adjust. Some dogs gamble & at times look outstanding in the right situation & bad in others. A true coondog adapts & can tree them anywhere. May take longer for some to adjust than others, but if they're a coondog they will.

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If you cannot train a dog, you have no business owning dogs. I have however had a dog in the past that I could not train to quit slick treeing.

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You haven't ever talk with me on the phone.
Makes me wonder how many other lies you've told................

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us old school dont know to much about hounds sense we growed up hunting this newer genaratin got it all figured out most of them still wet behind the ears but they know more about hounds than us older folks train a dog to tree lmao i always thought if they were bred right they had any brains they new to do that naturaly maybe i gettin to old to post on here with the newer gen i just a dumb old hillbilly that hunted hounds all my life and still dont know you have to train a young dog how to tree cant figure out what i have did wrong all these years

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jackbob everyone is different but to me loose on the tree could be to much track... another and bigger fault to me on a coondog... i can take some treeing out of a dog but for the life of me i cant figure how to add any into one

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Actually I have.

A while back you had post on here looking for a dog out of a certain stud dog. When I called you, you snapped my head off that you were no longer looking for on and was VERY rude considering I spent money calling you long distance to offer some help.

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jackbob everyone is different but to me loose on the tree could be to much track...

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