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Maybe bein just a 19 yro girl she was wantingto make sure she handled things corectly,maybe she couldnt sleep thinkin she may have been wrong?maybe she didnt want a a$$ that thinks hes noes everything to spout off?? Maybe she hadnt judges alot o casts but was the most qualified?

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Originally posted by DANNY RAMEY
ITS HARD TO HUNT ON A COMPUTER IF YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU WE'RE RIGHT THEN SO BE IT BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD SOME VENGENCE TO TAKE OUT ON THAT DOG ESPECIALLY SINCE IT MADE FIRST TREE. I HUNTED SINCE I WAS 12. TOOK A BREAK TO CHASE WOMEN THEN START BACK AT 21. I COMP HUNT AKC,PKC,UKC AND READ MY RULES BEFORE EACH HUNT AND I ALSO DON'T JUDGE A MANS DOG BY WHAT I WOULDN'T FEED AT HOME THAT HIS BUISNESS NOT MINE TO PUNISH HIM FOR BRINGING ONE TO A HUNT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DONE RIGHT IF IT BARKED UP ANOTHER TREE BUT JUST FOR PUTTING ITS NOSE ON THE GROUND THAT ISN'T A RULE IF THE DOG GOES BACK AND TREES SATISFACTORLY. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR HUNTING I THOUGHT THE POST WAS FOR DISCUSSION NOT FOR ATTABOY'S BUT I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE.

GOOD JOB YOU DONE REALLY WELL

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Danny Ramey: there was no vengence against that me tooing bitch getting first tree cause we know our dogs put up that coon first we just did not call them fast enough. His dog would sit by our feet until it heard another one of our dogs start working a good track. that thing was a piece of trash that i would never feed in my kennels but we did not hold that against him at all. She was not looking for anyone to tell her she did a good job. She just wanted to be sure she judge the cast right.; Which she did and she did very good job even with an ass hole in our cast. If I was judging he would have been leaving within the first drop with as big of an ass hole he was being. She did a very good job she is a very honest and fair judge.

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I JUST THOUGHT SHE WAS ASKING BOUT HONESTY AND I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS A YOUNGIN. YOU'VE DONE REALLY REALLY WELL IF YOUR 19 AND JUDGING CAST ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS A DISCUSSION AND I OFFERED THAT JUST BECAUSE A DOG DOESN'T BUST THROUGH THE WOODS ITS NOT OUR PLACE TO TRY AND MINUS THE DOG BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HUNT LIKE WE WOULD WANT OURS TO AND IF SHE'S 19 THEN IT PROBALLY HELPED HEARING THAT NOT EVERYONE THINKS THAT A DOG SHOULD HUNT THE SAMEWAY. IF THE GUY WAS AN AHOLE AND HIS DOG WAS A P.O.S. THEN JUST WAIT AND IT'LL ALL WORK OUT IN THE END OF THE HUNT. SOUNDS LIKE YOU REALLY DONE THE RIGHT THING BUT I WAS OFFERING ANOTHER SIDE TO THE STORY THATS ALL.

REDBONE CHIC I APOLOGIZE TO YOU GOOD LUCK AND KEEP ON JUDGING I DIDN'T REALIZE YOUR AGE. I WANT OUR YOUTH TO HELP AND JOIN IN OUR SPORT.

MAX D YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE REREADING/ I SAID IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE HANDLE IT RIGHT/ AND THE WORDS YOU DONE NOTHING REALLY WRONG/ SO I OFFERED ANOTHER WAY THE SITUATION COULD BE PERSEIVED. EXACTLY WHY YOU POSTED YOUR REMARKS RIGHT CAUSE YOU KNEW THE GIRL WAS 19 AND WASN'T GOING TO POST ANYTHING TO OPPOSE HER. SO YOU JUST WENT ALONG READING AND JUMPING ON PEOPLE FOR DEBATING SOMETHING. WHO'S A SPOUT OFF NOW.

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So let me get this straight. It was a 3 dog cast and you and you're girlfriend made up of two of the three cast members and they gave one of you the score card?

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Yes that is correct we both got drawn out together and we both have had these dogs before we knew each other say they dont got both our names on the paper so it is not illegal for us to get drawn out together and the other guy had not hunted in a hunt for over ten years . and alex was the best qaulified for being judge

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I was at the club house and the 3rd member of the cast hadn't been in a UKC hunt for over 10 yrs. How do I know? I talked to him because I hadn't seen him before. There were only 3 reg. casts and there were only a few people there that were qualified to judge. Alex was one of them. When the casts were drawn her boyfriend was drawn in the same cast. The casts were drawn with everyone watching. Non hunting guide. Talking to him it sounded like he hunts in a urban area as he said no one wants to hunt with him because of all the traffic. Sounded like his dog was a walk dog and wouldn't go very far. Dog is most likely a good pleasure dog. I don't know how much of the rules he knew. Sounded like a nice enough person at the club. I wasn't on the cast so don't know what happened. I do know Alex and would let her judge as she is honest and does her best to be fair.

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Well in my oppinion that was a poor job on the club. They should have assigned a non hunting judge, of course the guy would be mad he felt like he was beat before the hunt even started. Now, I bet he won't be back at that club again.

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ITS HARD TO HUNT ON A COMPUTER IF YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU WE'RE RIGHT THEN SO BE IT BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD SOME VENGENCE TO TAKE OUT ON THAT DOG ESPECIALLY SINCE IT MADE FIRST TREE. I HUNTED SINCE I WAS 12. TOOK A BREAK TO CHASE WOMEN THEN START BACK AT 21. I COMP HUNT AKC,PKC,UKC AND READ MY RULES BEFORE EACH HUNT AND I ALSO DON'T JUDGE A MANS DOG BY WHAT I WOULDN'T FEED AT HOME THAT HIS BUISNESS NOT MINE TO PUNISH HIM FOR BRINGING ONE TO A HUNT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DONE RIGHT IF IT BARKED UP ANOTHER TREE BUT JUST FOR PUTTING ITS NOSE ON THE GROUND THAT ISN'T A RULE IF THE DOG GOES BACK AND TREES SATISFACTORLY. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR HUNTING I THOUGHT THE POST WAS FOR DISCUSSION NOT FOR ATTABOY'S BUT I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE.

GOOD JOB YOU DONE REALLY WELL

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Well in my oppinion that was a poor job on the club. They should have assigned a non hunting judge, of course the guy would be mad he felt like he was beat before the hunt even started. Now, I bet he won't be back at that club again.

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No rule says you have to shine tree!! Am I wrong? They have to stay there with you but they dont have to shine tree.

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when in situationslike that (arguingover his dog getting minused)if they don't like the desicion after voting has been done put a ?on it and take back to MOH/HD and let them make the decision .


I think you done a really good handling the situation especially for a 19 year old girl ..............KEEP JUDGING

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SORRY ATTA GIRL.. KEEP JUDGING I WAS JUST DISCUSSING ON YOUR THREAD IF HIS DOG COME OFF AND WASN'T SHOWED TREED THEN YOU DONE RIGHT. BUT IF IT COME OFF AND PUT ITS NOSE TO THE GROUND AND JUMPED RIGHT BACK ON THE TREE THEN YOU WE'RE WRONG BY DOING SO. UKC HAS NO RULE ABOUT A DOG PUTTING ITS NOSE TO THE GROUND AND IF HE HAD OF QUESTIONED THE SITUATION AND TOOK IT TO THE CLUB EVEN IF THE CLUB RULED IN YOUR FAVOR UKC WOULDN'T HAVE IF HE WANTED TO TAKE IT THAT FAR. I'M NOT BASHING YOUR JUDGING EVERYONE THAT JUDGES WILL DO THINGS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THEIR GETTING CHEATED IT COULD EVEN BE AN HONEST MISTAKE BUT THEY WANT THINK SO. THEY'LL GET ALL PISSED OFF AND GOING A WALL AND MAKING IT A HARD NIGHT ON EVERYONE. YOU CAN EVEN DO IT TO YOUR BEST OF ABILITY'S AND THEY'LL GO HOME AND START READING RULES THEN SHOW UP A HUNT TELL PEOPLE HOW YOU CHEATED THEM. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT IF YOU DONE IT HONEST AND TO YOUR BEST ABILITY'S THEN THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. I KNOW YOUR PRETTY HONEST TO GET ON HERE AND ASK ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE THOUGHT A REAL CHEATER DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT THE RIGHT WAY IS. LIKE I SAY I WAS JUST DISCUSSING.

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No rule says you have to shine tree!! Am I wrong? They have to stay there with you but they dont have to shine tree.

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it sure is easy for every one to sit and say you should do this and do that you will never make everyone happy at least she stepped up and took the card more than most would do and there the ones whinning and crying way to go alex

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"CWS Well in my oppinion that was a poor job on the club. They should have assigned a non hunting judge, of course the guy would be mad he felt like he was beat before the hunt even started. Now, I bet he won't be back at that club again."

Give me a break. Go to any small club and everyone there knows each other very well. I don't care if they are boyfriend/girlfriend, married or just buddies....the club/MOH did nothing wrong. Pick your casts and pick the most qualified and honest person from the cast as the judge.

Even with a non-hunting judge you still end up with problems. AND DON'T SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT.....The worst case of judging I have seen was with a non-hunting judge, his buddy was hunting a dog...WOW, You should have seen the crap they were trying to get away with!

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Most of the time nobody wants to judge....and thats where the fights start. So kudos to her for doing her part. The rest is history.

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The most cheating i ever seen in a cast was also by a non hunting judge!

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"CWS Well in my oppinion that was a poor job on the club. They should have assigned a non hunting judge, of course the guy would be mad he felt like he was beat before the hunt even started. Now, I bet he won't be back at that club again."

Give me a break. Go to any small club and everyone there knows each other very well. I don't care if they are boyfriend/girlfriend, married or just buddies....the club/MOH did nothing wrong. Pick your casts and pick the most qualified and honest person from the cast as the judge.

Even with a non-hunting judge you still end up with problems. AND DON'T SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT.....The worst case of judging I have seen was with a non-hunting judge, his buddy was hunting a dog...WOW, You should have seen the crap they were trying to get away with!

Top of the card "HONOR Rules".

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The most cheating i ever seen in a cast was also by a non hunting judge!

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It's a pretty sad club and "group" if the club is not able to find a good honest knowledgeable person that could serve as a non hunting judge. At any club if the MOH KNOWS that 2 out of the 3 cast members are good freinds, brothers, father and son, husband and wife, related, he should ALWAYS do everything in his power to put a good non hunting jusge on the cast.

UKC should also require all Hunt Directors or MOH's put a non hunting judge on ALL 2 dog casts if at all possible, over the years I have seen and heard about far to many screwy situations that come up in a 2 dog cast.

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Your last post pretty much says it all.

I hate judging the cast for the sole reason that I want to concentrate on my dog only, not 3 other dogs.

Good for Redbone Chic for taking the card.

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It's a pretty sad club and "group" if the club is not able to find a good honest knowledgeable person that could serve as a non hunting judge. At any club if the MOH KNOWS that 2 out of the 3 cast members are good freinds, brothers, father and son, husband and wife, related, he should ALWAYS do everything in his power to put a good non hunting jusge on the cast.

UKC should also require all Hunt Directors or MOH's put a non hunting judge on ALL 2 dog casts if at all possible, over the years I have seen and heard about far to many screwy situations that come up in a 2 dog cast.

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I seen it from a non hunting judge that went with a handler in a purina cast on a time out and didnt get his dog back in the hour but the non hunting judge said he had him caught with 40 seconds left but still didnt get back to the trucks (meeting spot) til 8 minutes after the hour was up,that was just the begining of it all,non hunting judge is also ukc feild rep!

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ME TOO I KNOW OF A CAST THAT THE TWO GUYS HAD FOUND A WAY TO WIN THE CAST. SO ONE OF THEM OFFERED TO BE A NON HUNTING JUDGE AND JUDGE A CAST HIS BUDDY WAS ON. THE CAST COME TO A TREE WHERE THE JUDGES BUDDY'S DOG WAS TREED HE HAD FIRST TREE. THEY ALL SHINED THE TREE FOR AWHILE AND THE OTHER CAST MEMBERS WE'RE READY TO CIRCLE IT WHEN THE NON HUNTING JUDGE SAID RIGHT HERE IT IS AND PLUSD IT. THE OTHER CAST ASKED WHERE CAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE IT AND THE JUDGE TOLD THEM THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SEE CAUSE HE HAD FULL AUTHORITY. COME TO FIND OUT HE WAS RIGHT AND I THINK THEY KNEW THAT BEFORE THE HUNT AND HAD PLANNED IT.

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