UKC Forums UKC Website :: Hunting Ops :: All-Breed Sports :: Registration :: UKC Online Store
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Registration is free! Calendar Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Home  
UKC Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.3.0 UKC Forums > Departments > UKC Coonhounds > Angulation info direct from UKC
Pages (4): « 1 2 [3] 4 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Majestic Tree H
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Nov 2005
Location: New Market Va
Posts: 4670

Heres a Blue RACE CAR For ya !! and she had all the angles !!!!

__________________
Steve Morrow "Saltlick Majestic's"
"Never Have Hounds Or Kids And You Won't Get Your Heart Broke"!!

540-421-2875

PR, Saltlick's Blue Misty Linga "Bluetick Coonhound"

French X American Hounds

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 07-30-2010 07:14 PM
Majestic Tree H is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Majestic Tree H Click here to Send Majestic Tree H a Private Message Click Here to Email Majestic Tree H Visit Majestic Tree H's homepage! Find more posts by Majestic Tree H Add Majestic Tree H to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
MDBLOODTRACKER
UKC Forum Member

Registered: May 2009
Location: Woodbine, MD
Posts: 488

That's a nice lookin hound......

__________________
Stan Miller
Milller's Majestics
Woodbine, MD
cell# 443-415-8932

K9-LE-SAR MANHUNTERS

Millers Ally Girl
Millers Red Rosy
Millers Sweet Bean

Millers Majestics
www.millersmajestics.com

FACEBOOK:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mille...9288378?sk=wall

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 07-30-2010 08:37 PM
MDBLOODTRACKER is offline Click Here to See the Profile for MDBLOODTRACKER Click here to Send MDBLOODTRACKER a Private Message Click Here to Email MDBLOODTRACKER Visit MDBLOODTRACKER's homepage! Find more posts by MDBLOODTRACKER Add MDBLOODTRACKER to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-01-2010 07:50 PM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
s/s
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Feb 2006
Location: BRIGHTON, TENNESSEE 30 miles north of Memphis
Posts: 2169

I havebeen watching this thread and hoping to see more illistrations.....

Anyways, I am willing to be a guiney pig with my Tracker...I think I found a pic of him standing natural at the right angle..I'll go upload it and post it...BRB


OK, this is him natural..I have a couple more of him stacked if this angle is not good.



Here they are anyway...Maybe one of these might be better.


Last edited by s/s on 08-03-2010 at 04:56 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-03-2010 04:42 PM
s/s is offline Click Here to See the Profile for s/s Click here to Send s/s a Private Message Click Here to Email s/s Visit s/s's homepage! Find more posts by s/s Add s/s to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
SCBluetickGal
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jun 2008
Location: SC
Posts: 1012

I personally like good angles in a dog...and I'll be the first to admit that the "hunting bred" dogs I have are actually better built than my "show dogs." Here are a couple of mine I like the angles on. They may not win the world show, but I like the looks of them and they have great movement!


This pup was a year old in this picture, and still pretty green on the bench...still has a lot of maturing to do.


Can't remember exactly how old this female was in this picture, but she was still showing in the junior class then. One of my favorites.




This guy was about 20 months old here...he isn't stacked perfectly because he was a little grumpy from being out in the heat at a show that day I'm biased of course since he's my favorite "child," but I've always liked the way he was built. He's a wonderful mover for a "hunting" dog!

__________________
------------------------------
Poison Whiskey Coonhounds
Jessica O'Connor
CH'PR'Moss Blue Carolina Rain-Queen of Show, BBOA Zone 6 Championship
NITECH CH 'PR' Carolina Flo
CH 'PR' Poison Whiskey Waylon
CH 'PR' Cruse's I'm Your Huckleberry
CH'PR' PoisonWhiskey WildHoney
'PR' Poison Whiskey CowgirlsDontCry
CH'PR' Bowers & O'Connor's Foxy Roxy
PoisonWhiskey SonOfTheSouth

Poison Whiskey Hello Darlin'-2013 AL State BMOS, AL State Hall of Fame King of Show

PoisonWhiskey LilMsHonkyTonk

Coming Soon...
PoisonWhiskeyMaybeItWasMemphis
PoisonWhiskey Heart Like Mine
-------------------------
In loving memory...
CCH GRCH 'PR' Swampland Blue Gypsy-RIP sweet girl
'PR' Miller Time

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-05-2010 10:05 PM
SCBluetickGal is offline Click Here to See the Profile for SCBluetickGal Click here to Send SCBluetickGal a Private Message Click Here to Email SCBluetickGal Find more posts by SCBluetickGal Add SCBluetickGal to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Redbone Chic
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jul 2006
Location: S.E MN
Posts: 899

majestic

can you tell me the angles on my dogs please! i want to understand what to look for a little better! thanks






front of same dog


THANK YOU MUCH!

__________________
Alex Rain
Tree Slammin Redbones

GRWCH GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' Auringer's Tree Slammin Brodie HTX
-Qualified for 2013 world hunt

NITECH GRWCH GRCH 'PR' Tree Slammin MN Tuff
Pass towards HTX
WCH CH'PR' Tree Slammin Gracie

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-06-2010 12:13 AM
Redbone Chic is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Redbone Chic Click here to Send Redbone Chic a Private Message Find more posts by Redbone Chic Add Redbone Chic to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cleo
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Oct 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 3709

OK....You knew better then to put Tracker on here!

He is so wonderful!

I have had rain every evening BUT I did get one of Wade moving. I have to down load it to my work computer to email it....

I will try again this weekend to get one of him just standing.

I would like to understand the angles better as well.

Thanks!

You go Tracker!

__________________
BROKEN ROAD KENNEL
Breeding for the future of the Treeing Walker
"God bless the Broken Road"
~A man is only as good as his word~

Proud home to;

'PR' Kentucky River Fly Again (Kentucky River Rowdy frozen semen)
ACHA CHT x3 Broken Roads Little Texas (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
CH Broken Roads Southern Stylish Boom (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
Broken Road's Rowdy Lil Miss (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
Broken Road's Meabie I will (Lipper's Rooster x Missy)
Broken Roads IMA Boomer2 (UKC NATL GRCH GRNTCH Honest Abe x Broken Roads Southern Stylish Boom
~~~~~Watch out!~~~~~
They just might make an IMPACT!

and the girls...Punkin and Tater!

Gone by never forgotten ~ Fly high my beautiful angels
~ GRCH GNTCH PKC SC Toucan Sam
~CH Toucan's Ugly Betty
~ CCH CH Southforks September Rain
~ Martin's Daisy JJ (what a beautiful litter you left behind)
~ Luke, the lab who brought us so many doves and ducks over the years
~ UKC GRCH,ACHA CH 2014 LWCH 2014 2 x's ACHA YOUTH WCH AKC CH AKC CH 'PR' Kentucky River Mundar ~ (Kentucky River Rowdy frozen semen) DNA Profiled ~ Fly high, old friend.

"The WILL of God will never take you where the GRACE of God can not protect you!"

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-06-2010 12:52 AM
Cleo is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Cleo Click here to Send Cleo a Private Message Find more posts by Cleo Add Cleo to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Majestic Tree H
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Nov 2005
Location: New Market Va
Posts: 4670

I'l get to doing some .. But I'am working on a 60 + million dollar High School for Charles County, Maryland at the moment .. I have taken a Few Breaks from it to Post some !! Got Too or You'l Go Nuts !! lol

__________________
Steve Morrow "Saltlick Majestic's"
"Never Have Hounds Or Kids And You Won't Get Your Heart Broke"!!

540-421-2875

PR, Saltlick's Blue Misty Linga "Bluetick Coonhound"

French X American Hounds

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-06-2010 01:13 AM
Majestic Tree H is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Majestic Tree H Click here to Send Majestic Tree H a Private Message Click Here to Email Majestic Tree H Visit Majestic Tree H's homepage! Find more posts by Majestic Tree H Add Majestic Tree H to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

btt in time for autumn oaks

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-21-2010 12:50 PM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Majestic Tree H
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Nov 2005
Location: New Market Va
Posts: 4670

Here one I did awhile ago for Tammy's "Dream" Hope Tammy does'nt Mind ..



What a Great looking Hound !! How Old is He ???

First Thing, His Profile of Neck and Head is Perfect !! Very Well Balanced .. Nose to Stop is Equal to the Stop to "Top Knot" or Back of Skull. Neck is in Proportion to His Head and Body .. His Ear Are Great and the point of the Attachment is Where a "Hound" Should be .. Center to or just below the Eye .. And very proportionate in length ..

His Front to Rear Center Line is very nice and is Balanced well.

His Front Shoulders have a very nice 90^ Angle and meets at at the Center of his Wither.

He need some Exercise and little abit of Mussel Mass in the Shoulders and Hind Quarters

His ForeLegs are Perfect in height .. meaning that the Distance form his Fetlock to the base line is equal to 2/3 the distance from his Fetlock to the Center line of his Elbow ..

Only thing is He needs more Angulation in the Pasturn .. I Really like about 15^ to 18 ^ .. Lets say if you were to draw a Stright line down the Center of the Front leg .. The #5 Pad the Big one should be about 1/2 " in front of that line.. "If That Makes Any Since" LOL

Chest is Alittle Small .. Lungs need to be just a little Lower and abit further back towards his mid line .. And maybe abit in front of his Shoulder .. Should Show a small Rounded appearance in front of the Shoulder line ..

His Top Line is Great and carries a perfect Arch in the loin .. Not to Much and Not to Little !!

His Hips and Rear are very nice with the Exception of the above Note "Some more Mussel Mass and Diffinition"

His Rear Angulation is Perfect and very good Measurements on his Rear Pasturn to the Knee ..

Run the Heck out of Him !!!! And he should beat most of anything he's put up against !!!

Thanks Tammy and after I get some of My Work done .. I'l work on the Others

__________________
Steve Morrow "Saltlick Majestic's"
"Never Have Hounds Or Kids And You Won't Get Your Heart Broke"!!

540-421-2875

PR, Saltlick's Blue Misty Linga "Bluetick Coonhound"

French X American Hounds

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-24-2010 05:50 PM
Majestic Tree H is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Majestic Tree H Click here to Send Majestic Tree H a Private Message Click Here to Email Majestic Tree H Visit Majestic Tree H's homepage! Find more posts by Majestic Tree H Add Majestic Tree H to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

this is really helping to better our breeds!

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-26-2010 02:15 AM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cynthia
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4502

here's a couple of my 8m old male. not the best, but you get the idea.


__________________
2012 National Grand Show Champion, World Show Bluetick Female CCH GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Blame it on the Rain (Rain)
2012 Purina Show Bluetick Breed Winner GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Grt Balls o' Fire (Jerry Lee)
2013 World Champion Bluetick, 2013 AO Overall Bred By winner GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It (breeder)
2015 AO Overall Dual Champion NTCH GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It (breeder/owner/handler)
2016 Grand American Overall Dual Ch, Overall Show CHampion NTCH GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It


AKC CSG, UKC CCH GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Bad News Bandit (Bandit)
2010 National Grand Champion Bluetick
2013 AO Bluetick Stud Dog winner

CCH GCH 'PR' Southern Flame Elvira - the one that started it all

southernflamekennel@earthlink.net

RIP Southern Flame Elvira (the cornerstone of the kennel) 5/16/02-1/17/14

RIP Southern Flame Scarlet (the lone Redbone) 5/11/01-7/19/13

RIP Southern Flame Wild Irish Rose (Rosie) 6/15/09 - 3/12/15

RIP Southern Flame Too Hot to Trot (Bonnie) 3/27/07 - 4/20/15

RIP Southern Flame Bad News Bandit (Bandit)

RIP Southern Flame Triple Trouble (TT) 12/17/04 - 11/19/16

RIP Southern Flame Blame it on the Rain (Rain)

RIP AdeleMay's a Smokey Bandit (Adele)

RIP Southern Flame I Like Ike (Ike)

RIP Bella the Beagle

Bear, Jerry Lee, Camo, Maybellene, Lacy, Thor, Sissy, Merle, Tina, Bridgette - the Blueticks, Hollie - the Aussie

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-26-2010 04:47 AM
Cynthia is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Cynthia Click here to Send Cynthia a Private Message Click Here to Email Cynthia Visit Cynthia's homepage! Find more posts by Cynthia Add Cynthia to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

btt

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-26-2010 10:56 PM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
skyblu
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 4324

How do we educate the BSJs?

This thread is GREAT! Most of us will know how to evaluate hounds - but how do we get the BSJs onboard so THEY will use this info?

__________________
SKY
___________________
Author of the novel "Follow Jennifer"

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 08-27-2010 12:29 AM
skyblu is offline Click Here to See the Profile for skyblu Click here to Send skyblu a Private Message Click Here to Email skyblu Find more posts by skyblu Add skyblu to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Pat Bizich
Banned

Registered: May 2004
Location: northeast
Posts: 1278

Good thread to keep around

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 07-19-2011 05:51 PM
Pat Bizich is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Pat Bizich Click here to Send Pat Bizich a Private Message Find more posts by Pat Bizich Add Pat Bizich to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
branchvillekell
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Aug 2010
Location: guys mills ,pa
Posts: 2192

these are not good pics of skeet but i would like someone to evaluate them. i dont have very many "good" pics.

thank you,
kelley





__________________
CH 'pr' branchville mtn banjo man

CAN YOU SPEAK ENGLISH

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 07-19-2011 06:02 PM
branchvillekell is offline Click Here to See the Profile for branchvillekell Click here to Send branchvillekell a Private Message Click Here to Email branchvillekell Find more posts by branchvillekell Add branchvillekell to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Pat Bizich
Banned

Registered: May 2004
Location: northeast
Posts: 1278

kelly since no one else has offered any input here is mine for what it is worth.Can only see what is presented. I don't have the lines and such so I have to trust what my eyes are telling my brain.The top line on the first picture appears to be good.Although he appears to have a deep chest I like to see it reach well down to th elbow.The front shoulders angle is slightly open.Rear angulation appears to be good.Appearance of a strong well muscled individual.I like the way he is presented in the first picture as the second shows to much slope in the loin.Without seeing him on the ground or front and rear my guess is you should not have any trouble at the local shows with him .

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 07-20-2011 03:03 PM
Pat Bizich is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Pat Bizich Click here to Send Pat Bizich a Private Message Find more posts by Pat Bizich Add Pat Bizich to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Jon Millwood
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Sep 2006
Location: Flowery Branch GA
Posts: 729

I'm not much on showing my dogs but here is a pup my wife has. I thought he was built pretty good. Hes only 9mo so he hasnt filled out yet. He has a good start.

What areas does he need improving on?


__________________
TREE BLAZIN KENNELS
GRCH GRNITECH TREE BLAZIN HALFTIME SHOW
Ground Hound Designs "like us on Facebook"

Last edited by Jon Millwood on 07-20-2011 at 04:37 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 07-20-2011 04:03 PM
Jon Millwood is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Jon Millwood Click here to Send Jon Millwood a Private Message Find more posts by Jon Millwood Add Jon Millwood to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

bringing back up for refresher

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 02-24-2012 01:59 AM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

)

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 02-24-2012 12:51 PM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
calblu
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: California
Posts: 999

FYE (education):

http://www.thedogplace.org/BREEDS/I...cClure-1202.asp

__________________
Chawn
Rincon Kennel (formerly Chisum-Trail Kennel)

Don't take life too seriously -- nobody gets out alive!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 02-25-2012 02:34 AM
calblu is offline Click Here to See the Profile for calblu Click here to Send calblu a Private Message Click Here to Email calblu Visit calblu's homepage! Find more posts by calblu Add calblu to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cynthia
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4502

part of the problem I see is that its hard for the majority of ppl to see the qualities of dogs on the "other" side of the fence (hunt vs show). breeding papers to papers or coondogs to coondogs just because they can find the game does not make the breed better.

no matter which KC you are in, a lot of dogs win because of who is on the other end of the lead.

just because a dog has the will & drive to hunt does not make it a breeding candidate. if some of the hunters would take an honest look at their stock and realize they need something else in the woodpile and swallow some pride and breed to some of the dogs showing that has what theirs is lacking, the ENTIRE BREED would benefit. same is true looking from the other side.

there has become such a disconnect between the hunt & show side (and it doesnt matter if you do only 1 or both...its about breeding) that it is creating this issue that the BSJ is looking at a whole lot of nothing....most of the time. dont get in a snit...there are folks creating the best of both worlds and some of their stuff is being seen, but since the hunt and show worlds are not looking for the CORRECT stuff, these dogs do not get their due.

yes its a matter of educating and re-educating bsj to know what to look for, but the real issue is with the breeders. if they continue to breed bad to worse hoping for better, what's a bsj to do?

I was told recently that the bench show was supposed to help create a better coondog. makes sense. if I have one that is structurally correct and has the proper parts AND I have bred it to have the will and drive to hunt, then that dog shouldnt be beat!!!!

you cant take the parts off the car and still expect to drive it, so you cant take the parts off a dog apart and still expect it to do its job. as stated earlier its the parts that make the whole and the whole dog should be evaluated from gaiting to stacking to build, all put together to provide the form and function.

__________________
2012 National Grand Show Champion, World Show Bluetick Female CCH GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Blame it on the Rain (Rain)
2012 Purina Show Bluetick Breed Winner GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Grt Balls o' Fire (Jerry Lee)
2013 World Champion Bluetick, 2013 AO Overall Bred By winner GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It (breeder)
2015 AO Overall Dual Champion NTCH GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It (breeder/owner/handler)
2016 Grand American Overall Dual Ch, Overall Show CHampion NTCH GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It


AKC CSG, UKC CCH GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Bad News Bandit (Bandit)
2010 National Grand Champion Bluetick
2013 AO Bluetick Stud Dog winner

CCH GCH 'PR' Southern Flame Elvira - the one that started it all

southernflamekennel@earthlink.net

RIP Southern Flame Elvira (the cornerstone of the kennel) 5/16/02-1/17/14

RIP Southern Flame Scarlet (the lone Redbone) 5/11/01-7/19/13

RIP Southern Flame Wild Irish Rose (Rosie) 6/15/09 - 3/12/15

RIP Southern Flame Too Hot to Trot (Bonnie) 3/27/07 - 4/20/15

RIP Southern Flame Bad News Bandit (Bandit)

RIP Southern Flame Triple Trouble (TT) 12/17/04 - 11/19/16

RIP Southern Flame Blame it on the Rain (Rain)

RIP AdeleMay's a Smokey Bandit (Adele)

RIP Southern Flame I Like Ike (Ike)

RIP Bella the Beagle

Bear, Jerry Lee, Camo, Maybellene, Lacy, Thor, Sissy, Merle, Tina, Bridgette - the Blueticks, Hollie - the Aussie

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-22-2012 04:35 PM
Cynthia is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Cynthia Click here to Send Cynthia a Private Message Click Here to Email Cynthia Visit Cynthia's homepage! Find more posts by Cynthia Add Cynthia to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sandi
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Jefferson Ohio~ ashtabula co
Posts: 907

very well stated cynthia

__________________
Heart Throb Coon Hounds and
show supplies
contact info: 440-645-7875 or
Heart.throbcoonhounds@gmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-22-2012 04:47 PM
Sandi is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Sandi Click here to Send Sandi a Private Message Click Here to Email Sandi Find more posts by Sandi Add Sandi to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cynthia
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4502

I have been looking at the website calblue listed in previous thread and found this article that relates extremely well to the topic at hand.

I have copied it so you dont have to link to another site (http://www.thedogplace.org/GENETICS...mmill-10042.asp)

PIECE WORK DOGS OR SYMMETRY?
Judges prioritize according to a breed standard. Obviously, some breeders gear their breeding programs toward “pieces” of the standard rather than the whole dog. Specific virtues ARE important, but haphazardly used, they produce dogs that look like “piece work” rather than “filling the eye” with overall symmetry.

Katie GammillE. Katie Gammill © TheDogPlace April 2010 -

In seeking a single virtue, other virtues can fade in the end result. A dog that looks “different” may catch a judge’s eye but is quickly seen to be lacking in overall correctness. Incomplete, hastily crafted dogs influence the sport in a negative manner.

Just one exaggerated feature can affect overall balance in any breed. Symmetry is “no one thing out of place.” If your eye is drawn to any one part of a dog, it usually is incorrect because it is an exaggeration. Unfortunately, many dogs reflect such exaggerations today so that when a dog bred to standard appears, it can confuse the eye because it is so correct and without extremes. It looks “different” and judges lacking confidence may go with the more common “type” in the show ring, even if it is only a composite of exaggerated pieces.

Dog standards are not be treated lightly. They are not a peg to hang a personal preference on. Imitating another person’s success by breeding a likeness of a current fad may be quick gratification but it will be short lived and long paid for. In some cases, when one arrives at the likeness sought, type has changed again.

Judges, like breeders, have different priorities. Putting a cow hocked dog up because it reflects a beautiful single virtue defeats the purpose of a breed standard. Dogs come in a variety of shapes and colors but it is uniformity that makes a dog “breed specific”. When you exaggerate a particular virtue or fault, the result may be a dog having the appearance of another breed. Basic dog is one head, one tail, and four legs, all pointed in the same direction.

This business of leg, neck, and foot placement is visible on an eight week old puppy. If it isn’t present at that age, it will NOT improve with maturity. There are commonalities among the breeds. These guidelines assist in picking the best puppy. If a puppy appears out of balance or exaggerated, it will be the same when mature. Carry a template in your mind. If a breeding does not produce the desired potential, don’t use a crutch to explain the lack of quality. A valuable lesson to be learned is this: “Not all litters are successful. At times, you simply end up with pets. Sell them as such and move on. Puppies must be picked by the head, not the heart, if one is to reach the pinnacle of success.

Stretching an over angulated rear may seem to correct a top line, but a good judge sees through this and that structural fault comes home in the whelping box. These are the “piece work dogs”. Breeding to a current dog because it wins may produce a product that sells well and works in the show ring, for a time, but without first seeing the offspring to insure a proper foundation, the results may prove useless in a breeding program. A “flash in the pan” may appear, but once the ring is no longer flooded with that “type”, it will be of little value to the breeder.

Balance is a word tossed around a lot. A bad front and corresponding rear appear as an acceptable gait, but “two wrongs do not make a right”. This is just perfecting mediocrity. Unfortunately, some judges will put that dog over a better dog with a missing tooth, short tail, or one lacking in rear because these faults are more visible. True beauty is a symmetrical dog, which means no one thing out of place. Reward the dog that fills the eye and brings pleasure to the beholder. The fact is “there is no perfect dog”.

Like balance, elegance can be a misconception. Dogs assuming “the pose” with the hind legs stretched back do NOT represent elegance. By watching carefully, one sees these dogs continually move their hind feet forward to reach the center line of gravity for balance. Stretched dogs generally have no “follow through” movement in the rear.

It’s a thrill to see a carefully crafted product in the dog world. They are rare and should be rewarded! These dogs represent dedicated breeders who protect virtues with fervor and avoid mediocrity like the plague. They address faults when they appear and do not adjust them. Breeding (and judging) to a standard is not for the faint of heart.

True craftsmen do not “compromise” and dog breeders do not use pieces and incomplete animals. They keep puppies that are as good as or superior to the sire and dam. Each breeding is a step forward to introduce new virtues and retain the established virtues. Tying the threads of type, soundness, health, and temperament together, the end product is true worth. When a dog like that appears in the show ring, a judge’s heart beats faster because they know this dog will impact the future.

The best breeders and judges accept nothing less than the complete package. Exceptional puppies generally do NOT go through “ugly stages”. They simply “grow up”. Always search for the dog that “fills your eye”. Remain true to the standard and the reward will come, not only in the breed ring, but in a lasting contribution to the future of your breed.

__________________
2012 National Grand Show Champion, World Show Bluetick Female CCH GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Blame it on the Rain (Rain)
2012 Purina Show Bluetick Breed Winner GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Grt Balls o' Fire (Jerry Lee)
2013 World Champion Bluetick, 2013 AO Overall Bred By winner GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It (breeder)
2015 AO Overall Dual Champion NTCH GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It (breeder/owner/handler)
2016 Grand American Overall Dual Ch, Overall Show CHampion NTCH GRCH 'PR' Sexy and I know It


AKC CSG, UKC CCH GRCH 'PR' Southern Flame Bad News Bandit (Bandit)
2010 National Grand Champion Bluetick
2013 AO Bluetick Stud Dog winner

CCH GCH 'PR' Southern Flame Elvira - the one that started it all

southernflamekennel@earthlink.net

RIP Southern Flame Elvira (the cornerstone of the kennel) 5/16/02-1/17/14

RIP Southern Flame Scarlet (the lone Redbone) 5/11/01-7/19/13

RIP Southern Flame Wild Irish Rose (Rosie) 6/15/09 - 3/12/15

RIP Southern Flame Too Hot to Trot (Bonnie) 3/27/07 - 4/20/15

RIP Southern Flame Bad News Bandit (Bandit)

RIP Southern Flame Triple Trouble (TT) 12/17/04 - 11/19/16

RIP Southern Flame Blame it on the Rain (Rain)

RIP AdeleMay's a Smokey Bandit (Adele)

RIP Southern Flame I Like Ike (Ike)

RIP Bella the Beagle

Bear, Jerry Lee, Camo, Maybellene, Lacy, Thor, Sissy, Merle, Tina, Bridgette - the Blueticks, Hollie - the Aussie

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-22-2012 06:29 PM
Cynthia is offline Click Here to See the Profile for Cynthia Click here to Send Cynthia a Private Message Click Here to Email Cynthia Visit Cynthia's homepage! Find more posts by Cynthia Add Cynthia to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
starplott
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Oct 2003
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 1405

I've been stating such for over 20 years, more often than not on deaf ears when it comes to coonhound community.

The judges are VERY critical to breed preservation. Look at the GSD. Where in the breed standard does it even hint to a dog walking on its hock? Yet in AKC and under some UKC judges, a dog that is sound is overlooked.

Breeders breed for what wins. Unskilled judges put up the best of the type that is before them. Very easy to get caught up on both sides in the game and ruin the integrity of the breed.

Judges are the keepers of the breed standards. If judges will refuse to put up inferior dogs and safegard the breed standard, breeders will breed to that. If breeders would quit putting their mistakes in the ring and quality is in the ring, judging standards go up. It is a hand holding relationship that can **** the integrity of a breed.

There are many breeds where the breed standards have not changed, yet the breed has over the last 30 years I have been in the all breed ring.

As a BSJ I take it seriously. Not out to make friends. I'm not out to make clubs happy or draw more people in. I am there to help preserve the breed standard. I rather have ticked off people than violate the integrity of the breed standard. I look at EVERY dog as having the potential to preserve or change the direction of the breed. I have NO problem preserving the integrity of the breed standard and defending such.

I have heard many times, "I will become a BSJ to support the club". Many club members think this is a noble offer and jump on it. Makes me cringe when I hear that come from a prospect. Especially since I know quite a few judges with the same mentality. They are there for the club and people that want to show. WRONG reason to become a judge!

Judges need to take breed standards seriously. It is a thankless job, but a very important one. Judges are the guardians of the breed standards and should conduct their duties as such. NOWHERE in any judging manual or breed standard is a judge charged with making people with inferior dogs happy or decisions based on who is at the other end of the leash. Personal preference is even limited to being WITHIN a breed standard. Doesn't matter if you like red and white walkers or solid colored plotts personally, those are NOT within the criteria of the standard. Neither is a hound with a hackney gait, though it may look impressive and stand out in the ring.

__________________
It ain't the bark, it ain't the growl, it's the bite that hurts!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Old Post 03-22-2012 06:37 PM
starplott is offline Click Here to See the Profile for starplott Click here to Send starplott a Private Message Click Here to Email starplott Find more posts by starplott Add starplott to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
All times are GMT. The time now is 06:43 AM. Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (4): « 1 2 [3] 4 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Show Printable Version | Email this Page | Subscribe to this Thread


Forum Jump:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 
< Contact Us - United Kennel Club >

Copyright 2003-2020, United Kennel Club
Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.3.0
(vBulletin courtesy Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.)