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Jon Hadden
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I use to look at the papers and such,but I rather have that pup out of a dog that trees real live coons. I don't care if the pup sold off the teat for 1000.00 if it don't tree coons it's not worth 0 cents to me.
This All Grand stuff aint nothing but a racket because coon hounds are not coonhounds any more. Alot of these high power bred dogs are the most slick treeing machines I have ever seen.

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I hardly ever click on these posts because it’s the same crap every time. Bred the nose out of the walker dogs????? According to the old timers they never had a nose to begin with. Harder to find a coondog now than in the 70’S??????? According to the old timers it was harder to find one in the 70’s that it was the 50’s. It’s a wonder there is a dog alive today that can tree a coon at that rate. Get my point? Yesterday was always better to some. We all go through dry spells were we run out of dog power but don’t blame it on everyone else look in the mirror. If you have such a vast knowledge of the correct way to do it then you should never need to by anymore of this junk again.

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I hardly ever click on these posts because it’s the same crap every time. Bred the nose out of the walker dogs????? According to the old timers they never had a nose to begin with. Harder to find a coondog now than in the 70’S??????? According to the old timers it was harder to find one in the 70’s that it was the 50’s. It’s a wonder there is a dog alive today that can tree a coon at that rate. Get my point? Yesterday was always better to some. We all go through dry spells were we run out of dog power but don’t blame it on everyone else look in the mirror. If you have such a vast knowledge of the correct way to do it then you should never need to by anymore of this junk again.


Yea the kids aren't worth a dam these days either. LOL
I would say todays hunter wouldn't like the 70's dog. I have been made fun of just talking about them on here. They just won't do in the hunts. Some of the old pleasure hunters would still love them though.
I would love to hunt with a dog that would take tracks as they come. As long as they can finish them. I love to listen to a dog take an old track from cold and build a fire under it but then I love todays dog too. Just depends on what mood I am in. Of course that is just my opinion of what the 70's dogs were like. That was just the ones I was around.

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Yea the kids aren't worth a dam these days either. LOL
I would say todays hunter wouldn't like the 70's dog. I have been made fun of just talking about them on here. They just won't do in the hunts. Some of the old pleasure hunters would still love them though.
I would love to hunt with a dog that would take tracks as they come. As long as they can finish them. I love to listen to a dog take an old track from cold and build a fire under it but then I love todays dog too. Just depends on what mood I am in. Of course that is just my opinion of what the 70's dogs were like. That was just the ones I was around.



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I agree with some of you, pups cost money, because you had your stock. Training, etc. With that being said, lets talk walkers and coon dogs. Lets look in the mirror. Ok, Coon dogs talk about accuracy, barks per minute, lay up coon, etc. I never hear the term feet, which seem to be getting loose, or lets talk nose. I havent seen many advertised good feet and cold nose. its a money game, on which dog tree's a coon, honest or dishonest. So, us back yard breeders, like me, which cross grade trash as quoted, makes bear and cat dogs, with a high turnout because I've hunted five generations of them. They can smell a cat or bear, that a all grand whatever ,doesnt know is there. They can run it, bay it on the ground, for hours, and tree it, or staple the cuts, and go next week. So, when the coon dog breeders, can breed dogs, that can do this, And smell a track over a few hours old, I wont have to worry about breeding my trash, to tree a bear, or cat. We all hunt different things folks, but nose is leaving the walker breed, that doesnt breed for cold nose, only competiton. I put a post on here, a year or so ago, and got two replies of cold nosed walkers. Both were old guys, registered dogs, but not competiton hunted. None of the well known stud dogs got suggested to me. I have an idea, tomorrow, I will leave my one registered walker at home and take the papers hunting, and see what I put on the table . .
99% of the coonhunters i know could care less about the feet myself included ,,,,you going to hold it aginst the dog if it has all black toenails an 2 white??? lol

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You are looking at this all wrong. With all the junk out there that people are breeding and making big money on you are missing out on a huge business opportunity. A man with the kind of solutions you have could surely start collecting good females and breeding them to some barn burner males and start selling the quality of puppies we are all looking for. Its a gold mine just waiting to be tapped.

Let us know when you get started!!!!



I appreciate the sarcasm. If you can't see what is happening to the breeds not just walkers, your blind. I think the worst thing that happened to coonhounds was being able to title them.

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Bawl-track Now you know why the coon dogs are going the way there going. LOL
They don't even know there feet is the thing that takes them to the game. LMAO
They don't want to much nose or they will run a track instead of a trail some times.
We are going toward air scentmore and more now. Head up no track at all. Warm to hot trail and air into if posible. That is what the young ones think wins comp.
From the ones I have talked to that should know it still takes a dog that can move a warm track fast and is a big plus if they will rase the head and work air if they hit air scent.
I was wondering what you guys hunting cats used.

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I have read these posts from some breeders on here some I have meet. Some I havent My hat goes off to them for all there hard work. Makes my job easier when looking for a stud or pup. I put the blame on the buyers dont mess with that pup dont hunt it. Then want to blame everything and everyone but themself. Some dogs dont mature mentally in a litter as there as brothers and sisters. Some can tree young some don't. But do we do our home work and give that dog a fair shake?
Nope to easy to blame someone else for our faults.

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If its the right way why would you buy pups from someone that does it the wrong way???????????????
I have bought one pup in the last 3 years, and it didnt stay more than 3 weeks...I know a few hunters that are breeding for coondogs, and for simliar traits as myself, and for the most part I can get a pup anytime I am wanting one, there are still hunters out there that breed for the right reasons, and would rather give their pups to someone that will give them a good honest chance, than sell them to whoever...to some it isnt about the money at all, it is about producing quality coondogs for our enjoyment, and our friends enjoyment.

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I have read these posts from some breeders on here some I have meet. Some I havent My hat goes off to them for all there hard work. Makes my job easier when looking for a stud or pup. I put the blame on the buyers dont mess with that pup dont hunt it. Then want to blame everything and everyone but themself. Some dogs dont mature mentally in a litter as there as brothers and sisters. Some can tree young some don't. But do we do our home work and give that dog a fair shake?
Nope to easy to blame someone else for our faults.



Don't take my post wrong. I agree we have good breeders that know what they are doing and just hope I am lucky enough to get some of them. The thing I am talking about is what people think you have to have to winn at hunts. I know for a while I was thinking you could just train up a good layup dog and kick tail. Till I visited with some people on here that told me other wise.
Seems like that is the way it is headed in the next generation though. A air scent race and the breeders have to give what is selling.
I think if more people would put on here what it takes to win all over the country people would for get about the air scent dogs. Lay ups are impressive if you have the right weather for a dog to be able to do them. A lot of the younger guys think they can just do it like ESP though and are headed toward wanting just that.
I wish we had a sticky on here were some of these well known trainers could put posts on what a dog needs to be able to do to win all over the country. You can get them to post every now and then but not a lot. Be nice to have them to read any time and add to them every now and then.

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Don't take my post wrong. I agree we have good breeders that know what they are doing and just hope I am lucky enough to get some of them. The thing I am talking about is what people think you have to have to winn at hunts. I know for a while I was thinking you could just train up a good layup dog and kick tail. Till I visited with some people on here that told me other wise.
Seems like that is the way it is headed in the next generation though. A air scent race and the breeders have to give what is selling.
I think if more people would put on here what it takes to win all over the country people would for get about the air scent dogs. Lay ups are impressive if you have the right weather for a dog to be able to do them. A lot of the younger guys think they can just do it like ESP though and are headed toward wanting just that.
I wish we had a sticky on here were some of these well known trainers could put posts on what a dog needs to be able to do to win all over the country. You can get them to post every now and then but not a lot. Be nice to have them to read any time and add to them every now and then.


Grady, I dont know if I was one of the younger guys you were referring to, but if you have a dog with the ability to move tracks in the right manner, PLUS the ability to layup coon, that is when you get something special...one without the other doesnt really light my fire, and exceptional track dogs are as hard to find as good layup dogs. I have had the pleasure (or misfortune) to have a couple that could do both, one whom died young and the other was stolen, now its hard to do with less...

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Grady, I dont know if I was one of the younger guys you were referring to, but if you have a dog with the ability to move tracks in the right manner, PLUS the ability to layup coon, that is when you get something special...one without the other doesnt really light my fire, and exceptional track dogs are as hard to find as good layup dogs. I have had the pleasure (or misfortune) to have a couple that could do both, one whom died young and the other was stolen, now its hard to do with less...


No I figured you would want one to do both. I really don't remember who said what on this thing a lot. I do know I have talked to several that were highly impressed with lay up dogs and could care less about there tracking as long as they could lay up coon. They don't realise a dog has to have the right conditions to be able to lay up coon.

Oh by the way Matt. If you have some time at Perry I need to pick your brain about the breeders stakes if you don't mind.

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I want a very well balanced dog, but Layup ability is as important to me as strong tracking ability. When is Perry Grady? I dont even know what Breeders stakes are (I dont think)

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Perry is this weak end. The breeders stakes are pkc. Thought you might know. Haven't found anyone that knows much about it. Got a pup I could enroll for a $100.00 but would like to know more about it.
Are you going to Perry? It is the winter classic.

Oh and yea I would agree about the layup. Any good trail dog should be able to do it in decent conditions. Just a lot of people don't seem to realise they have to have those conditions.

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I might make it to perry, not sure...I dont have anything ready for the hunt though...

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WOW! This is mighty sad. Seriously listen to what some of you guys are saying. Most of us know there are many "stud dogs" out there that arent worth their food and somebody thinks they are a breeder because of a title, but that is no different than in the past. There will always be good and bad breeders. Go hit the woods, worry about your own line, and stop whining on a message board.

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Oh I don't either. My black dog is doing good but not a real comp. dog. Won't ever get first strike on him. He hunts 3-5 hundred yards and if nothing to run he will come check in. If you send him back he will go half mile. Of course that will get him in coon anywhere I hunt but like I say not real comp. material. Has a pretty mouth though and handles well. He is fun to hunt and will find a coon just not a barn burner yet. Oh and people shy but comeing out of that now.
I will show him to you if you come over to Perry. I am going to sell him and work on the blue and walker so I will be ready for when I get one from you. I want to have the walker going by then.

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I might make it, I am having to go east almost to arkansas tomorrow, and next month going to kansas and back...will just see how the funds are...snowman does well in the hunts, but the last hunt I put him in, I made 2 mistakes, and he wasnt tuned up enough to pull me back out of it...he has won 6 out of 9 casts, and with me as a handler, that is impressive...I am gonna be breeding a female to snowman in a month or two, or you can wait on one from that shotsie female I told you about...

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christy beat me to it.15 dollars to worm a litter 20 dollars to feed them maybe thats the reason they don't turn out. then breeding unregistered dogs selling them to the first person that shows up with the cash.
christy certainly has accomplished more than most with her sid dog and his get. i'm pretty proud of her and her husband they work together work hard training there hounds and winning with them. i read many many posts on here from people that breed to her hound and buy puppies from her and how pleased they are with the outcome

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do you think there is something wrong with a hound that can airscent if you do come east i will show you what an air scenting hound can do this same dog is excellanr on layup she will find coon the rest of the dogs pass up if nothing is close she can work a cokd track with speed and accuracy and tree with the meat every time

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I might make it, I am having to go east almost to arkansas tomorrow, and next month going to kansas and back...will just see how the funds are...snowman does well in the hunts, but the last hunt I put him in, I made 2 mistakes, and he wasnt tuned up enough to pull me back out of it...he has won 6 out of 9 casts, and with me as a handler, that is impressive...I am gonna be breeding a female to snowman in a month or two, or you can wait on one from that shotsie female I told you about...


Ok we will decide pups later. You made me laugh to hard on your dog handleing skills. If you could only see me call a dog. My black cought one on the ground this last weak end in our local hunt.
I was trying to get him off before he killed it. Me yelling and running up the creek bank made him pick it up and run with it. He dropd it before anyone saw him and I lost my strike points.
We were standing were the dogs were tracking the coon threw. He came threw and got minused for comeing in. I should had made them move over a little when I saw him comeing. They call my dog all the time. Not so much in that hunt but in a lot. Yep I need a handler. LOL
A good one could probubly win with him. Like I said before he isn't a barn burner but he showed the only coon we saw and I made him loose. He don't trash even with others will split and hold preasure. Just need more experience and a handler. LOL
Oh I have been meaning to ask. What do you think about the HTX tests? We are going to put some on I think. I talked to our head of the club today and talked her into it. Would you be interested in it?

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christy beat me to it.15 dollars to worm a litter 20 dollars to feed them maybe thats the reason they don't turn out. then breeding unregistered dogs selling them to the first person that shows up with the cash.
christy certainly has accomplished more than most with her sid dog and his get. i'm pretty proud of her and her husband they work together work hard training there hounds and winning with them. i read many many posts on here from people that breed to her hound and buy puppies from her and how pleased they are with the outcome

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you bet, I would just as soon have a Ntch Htx than a Grntch...I dont enjoy the hunts, and getting Htx shouldnt be any problem for snowman, as he has been hunted alone 75% of his life...

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Originally posted by wayne f
do you think there is something wrong with a hound that can airscent if you do come east i will show you what an air scenting hound can do this same dog is excellanr on layup she will find coon the rest of the dogs pass up if nothing is close she can work a cokd track with speed and accuracy and tree with the meat every time


No I find fault with the ones that only want to find the layup. Any good trailing dog can air scent but not any air scent dog can track or trail. I think some are pushing toward the airscent to hard and looseing the track and trail. I am all for one that can do it all.
If you read more of my post you will find that you are discribeing as perfect dog as there is in my mind.

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By the way Wayne f if I get east I would like to hunt with you. I love to hunt with a dog like that.

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