Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Greenville, Ky
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Please don't call me a retard. All i asked is you stop running your mouth negatively and start using it in a positive way to help better our great sport. Wow, sorry if i offended you but stop the name calling.

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Registered: May 2006
Location: Mount Jackson, VA
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Wow, school must be back in session.

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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
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Dang, I guess it's as good a day as any to hand out Corner Tickets. Thanks to those of you keep the discussions civil. We appreciate it.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Coshocton,Ohio
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Well, I know I'm one of those seniors, but I can get around pretty good. I know alot of you probably hunt with your dads, and they have slowed down a little. Have you taken the time lately, to watch dad, listening to the dogs running and then slowly move to the spot, where he thinks the rabbit might cross, is this a sign of old age or being a smart rabbit hunter. You know when I go to a hunt and draw out with younger hunters, I always tell them I have an artfical knee and can't run to get to the line as quick as them, and to score the dogs, thats my trust in them to score the dogs as they come threw. If we would just slow down a little and let the dogs do what they were breed to do, strike, jump and circle the rabbit. I have seen more rabbits turned because we run up to see where you think its going to cross.
Yea my invatation is always open to come and run anytime, and you won't be getting any cherry, I've been beat alot. I've been through it with coondogs, horses and now beagles

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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
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Thornie, I'm gonna say it's both. It's a sign of a smart rabbit hunter and old age may be the reason for being smart. ??

You're right and I agree with the theory that many rabbits get turned resulting in no scoring due to flying around trying to get every possible line as quickly as possible. I do know when the snow's flying and we're carrying a musket we usually don't run all over the place in order to harvest our next meal. We let them come to us.

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Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Central Illinois
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More Dave Haugh opinions, just what you wanted to hear. But, I have been around the block a few times in this and other formats, so here goes.

First, on the senior casts. The hunts around here have more seniors and disabled guys than young folks. There are lots of guys who can no longer coon hunt, so they have beagles. I could put up a video clip of the Black Gold run off hunt locally and you would see a bunch of old gimps (myself included) trying to hunt beagles. I don't see any reason to have a Senior cast and also have a 3 circle rule. Have any of the committee members ever seen 4 older, handicapped guys trying to catch hard running beagles after 3 circles? Trust me, it doesn't happen. I think UKC may have to assign an ambulance to the senior's cast if anyone is hunting beagles that can make 3 circles and the guys have to catch the dogs after 3 circles. Some young guys may be able to catch hard running dogs, not the seniors I see at the hunts. I, like some of the seniors I know, are grateful to have some young guys with us to help catch the dogs. I break my beagles to come and down but they won't do it on a hot rabbit track. Most likely, yours won't either if he is any good.

I have never seen the list of the 6 that showed up and voted. The way they voted tells me a lot about the kind of dogs they hunt and possibly, how they are doing their winning.

I see a lot of rabbit turns and checks being made by noisy people, young and old. I doubt if some ever gun hunt. They would never get a shot. Some people ruin a lot of circles by turning the rabbit. I won't suggest some folks make the noise and turn the rabbit because their dog would get a poor score if the rabbit was seen.

I am with Allen when the snow flies except I do a lot of shooting with my camcorder. I do wait for the dogs to bring the rabbit to me, that's why I feed them.

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Why don't you all (trouble makers) Shut up or better yet GROW UP and take some of the wisdom these "seniors" (Pasmore , Thornie ect.) have to offer. They were more than likely running dogs and rabbit hunting when you were gettin your diaper changed.......(S--ttin your pants.)
I vote "h-ll yeah" for the senior cast and I just might not even enter a dog and go with the "OLD GUYS" I will gaurantee they have more fun then listening to the BS you young wanna be "know it alls" do.
Bottom line IF YA DON"T LIKE IT LEAVE, start your own registry, like all the other a--holes that have already been barred from UKC. I know a few from OHIO that would probably join in with ya

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Newark, Ohio
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guys think about it....how is having a seniors cast a bad thing ? Are you really afraid of losing b/c the hunt your at has a seniors cast? gotta be kidding. Some of the smaller clubs that barely have enough people and places to put on a hunt might have a problem only bc they are so used to championing out dogs that dont even deserve the title, but thats the only people i could see who would complain about this, b/c they'll have to face a dog they could've cheated with out the handler being around. i think the ol' timers prbly know a thing or two about sportsmanship that some of you guys crying about this need to take notes on. Maybe you should offer to judge these casts, or at least just observe from the peanut gallery. Learn something about sportsmanship and the give it a try again without you're own agenda.

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Location: Central Illinois
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I hope no one misunderstood me for being against Seniors casts. I am not. I have hunted Senior casts in other formats with UKC and in other registries. I was just pointing out a potential problem catching dogs.

I have been running beagles for well over 45 years, maybe closer to 50 years. Back when my buddies and I were boys, we always competed to see who had the best rabbit dog.

Some folks would complain iof you hung them with new ropes.

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Umm...

LOL! Some of you guys are just ridiculous!

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Registered: Jun 2003
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Im all for the senior casts and as for making titles useless well thats another subject we have all seen dogs that were titled that we wouldnt feed But so what NO one is going to make a living off of titleing beagles SO LETS HAVE FUN ALL OF US SKINNY, FAT ,YOUNG, OLD, BEAGLERS quit the name calling and do something positive with your words We all have a short time on this earth so lets make the best of it

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Central WV
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I have not been on here for a while and some of the posts i just read are ridiculous, are u guys worried that much that maybe a dog from the senior cast may make the winners pack??? Big deal if ur hound is better u will beat them in the winners pack.

and as far as dogs finishing that should that is already a problem that would NOT be increased by senior casts. Fact is until we make it to where u have to have 3 first place wins to champion u are gona see a alot of lucky HBCH. Most of the older guys i know here local that would have a senior cast would be out there for fun and would probably be the funnest cast of the hunt and besided these little local hunts who cares nobody remebers that u won lost creel July 25th not a big deal.

Ron mcalain ,Dale Prunty, and Bob Syerws now that would be a fun cast lol!! Sorry Bob i know ur not 55 .........but it sounded goo lololol

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: glenmont oh.
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i myshelf am over 55 i quit running ukc because i to have had 5
back operations. i to was having a hard time keeping up. i would love to go out on a cast with thornie and roy sam fry and many
more guys i can think of. i dont care about what kind of scores
we would bring in either. it just would be great to see all them guys again

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Location: IOWA
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Mr. Fluhart was your ignorant post directed toward the concerns that I posted

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Registered: Jun 2006
Location: marion ohio
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I think the senior cast is a great idea. I do not think you should put an age limit on it though. As long as any one going with the cast goes by the senior rules they can run this style. I for one would love to run with these guys and sit on a chair and watch for the rabbit. Here are some +'s to no age limit.

- any one disabled could participate regardless of age
- new beaglers could learn from the more experienced
- the seniors could be running against anyone
- a member of the cast may be able to help if needed
- I could go enjoy their company
- Anyone could go that wanted too

I just think this is great. I bet Hummel would like to go sit in a chair with these guys and score rabbits. LOL I know many more old timers that might come out of retirement to try this format. It would be nice if a younger guy could acompany evey cast, or at least some casts just in case they may need something. I would limit it to one nonsenior per cast just to keep things in check.

Anyone thats not afraid to get outran can bring a lawn chair and have a ball. This might even attract a few ladies who would rather not run thru the bushes.

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No Brad it wasn't directed towards anyone in paticular, But you obviously took offence to it. For that I say "OH WELL" it would take a devious mind to think a senior citizen would feel the need to cheat that bad...........YES it may happen but who cares, I sure as heck ain't scared of a "make it yourself GRHBCH" are you ?
To me these dogs that make a title they don't deserve is just one more that my dog can beat.
I'm not bashing you or anyone else just tired of people tearing new rules, programs,ect. apart BEFORE they even have a chance to work or NOT work.
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Registered: Sep 2007
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Fellow Beaglers,

If it weren't for the Seniors of this Sport of Beagling and some that have already passed on before us we would not have UKC Beagling as it is today.

I don't win many hunts, I like a total dog, and I will hunt with, guide or judge any of these senior casts if needed. I myself don't get around the best and the Good Lord Willing I will be a Senior myself someday. I have all the respect in the world for seniors who get outdoors loving their sport.

We all can learn a little sportmanship and fellowship from a few of these casts. My recomendation all CRITICS of the idea is go out and spectate on a few casts and then make your own opinion before casting premature judgement on the idea.

JMO and I hope others feel the same way I do,
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Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Central Illinois
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It looks like everyone is arguing over the seniors issue, really a non-issue, as the rule has been in effect for many years in UKC's other formats and with other registries with no problems. The beagles are just catching up with the other formats.

I wonder why the hole issue was not changed? The proposal was very poorly written, (in my opinion), so I can see why it might not have passed. Locally, there is only 1 guy that really abuses the rule. He carries the scorecard every time and uses the rule to keep poor dogs from otherwise minussing out. He wins casts because he misuses the rule and calls a hole everytime his dog fails. Trust me, his dogs do not hole every rabbit. In my opinion, they actually hole very few rabbits. They are not that good.

The last cast I was in with him, his dog ran a track 100 yards or so, then ran the back track back to where we were standing and quit less than 10 feet from where we were standing. He circled the score. Personally, I call that cheating. He ended up getting a first place win on a dog I would have culled. I reckon he will get to make plenty more Champions this way because the rule was not changed.

I don't reckon we will ever know who voted on the rule proposals. I won't ask any more.

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The last cast I was in with him, his dog ran a track 100 yards or so, then ran the back track back to where we were standing and quit less than 10 feet from where we were standing. He circled the score. Personally, I call that cheating.

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Your right Scott I did take offence to your post.

1st) I take offence that you are so shallow minded that you use profanity on a public message board. I will remind you this is direct violation of the rules you recommend we follow.

2nd) No I'm not scared of a made yourself GRHBCH I am concerned with protecting the prestiage of UKC titles.

3nd) I also take offence to "want a be" UKC representives like yourself spouting out comments like (If you don't like it leave) the last time you said something so ignorant I took you up one it and have not been back to the Nationals and won't be until they change the format.

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Did you question it and file a complaint?
If not , you're just as guilty as he is.

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Registered: Aug 2003
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" I sure the heck ain't scared of a make it yourself Grhbch are you? Just one more my dog can beat"

My thoughts exactly! Some people worry to much about dogs they feel shouldn't be champions, making the grade.
This is all about folks taking competition to serious, relax and don't take it so serious. You'll have allot more fun and so will others.
So let the Seniors give it try, I think it would be funny to watch those grumpy old men in a cast. Lol..... (Where's my glasses?) in your back pocket! Lol.... Stay tuned for more senior moments Lol..

As far as the rules, it's never going to be perfect. Luck has a big hand in this sport. There's rules I'd like to see changed (no checks) , But you can't change the format overnight.
I did see one thing that sounded good, and that was Election for state reps. Funny thing is, I would've voted for the same guy we have....

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I like the election idea also. Why don't we all just give these changes a chance to work before we go making judgements about them.

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Speaking for myself I like the idea of disability people being able to hunt on senior cast. JMO.

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Registered: Jan 2008
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posts and responses like this one is why i only go and watch at ukc trails.never entered a dog yet and reading how guys react/act,talk trash,work a rulebook does nothing to intice me or a few friends of mine to register and enter.
ukc isnt the only place with buddy made champions or with good/bad dogs,but with a rule book that really is alot of work to understand/use to ones advantage/use against someone ,i can't see the reason for competing there.
i just cant see how the whole rule book shows the best dog on the ground?
reading other posts about incompentent judges,now rule changes,is it really gonna help?
everyone can jump on me now cause i dont run in ukc,but i know plenty of guys who feel the same way i do,to many rules.

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