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RECORD PROFITS,INCREASING RATES AND LESS COVERAGE FOR INSURANCE COMPAINES.

NOT TO MENTION OUR TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR THE HEALTHCARE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW.

IF NOT FOR MY DAD'S HEALTHCARE THROUGH THE UNION,MY MOM WOULD HAVE NO INSURANCE.NO WAY AN INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD TAKE WITH ALL HER CONDITIONS.OR THE POOR LADY THAT PAID 700 A MONTH FOR HEALTHCARE TO FINDOUT IT DOESNT COVER HER CANCER TREATMENTS.GO OUT TO PLACES LIKE LOWES WALMART AND HOME DEPOT AND GROCERY STORES AND SEE ALL THESE OLD PEOPLE WORKING,ASK THEM WHY AND MOST WILL SAY FOR HEALTHCARE.

IT TAKES A GREEDY SELFISH PERSON TO SIT THERE AND SAY EVERYBODY DOESNT DESERVE HEALTHCARE.,

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So let's go from bad to worse??

Lets actually see fewer people get treatment and care to Americans over 65 cut in half?? Is that the "change" you are wanting? Because that is what Obama's bill is proposing.

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So let's go from bad to worse??

Lets actually see fewer people get treatment and care to Americans over 65 cut in half?? Is that the "change" you are wanting? Because that is what Obama's bill is proposing.

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So let's go from bad to worse??

Lets actually see fewer people get treatment and care to Americans over 65 cut in half?? Is that the "change" you are wanting? Because that is what Obama's bill is proposing.

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The bill is being debated and there will be changes. We should wait until the final product is out before we make final judgement.

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The current system is unsustainable. The rich will eventually be the only ones covered under the current system.

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So burdening the wealthiest Americans even more

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Yea, I cry myself to sleep every night feeling sorry for those poor wealthiest people.

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No. It boils down to those that will do and those that wont do.

The only difference between a successful business owner or well paid worker and a low wage earning/barely making it wokrer is drive, dedication, and willpower.

We all have the same ability to make the amount of money we want to.

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Dial up internet -- $120.00 per year

Cell phone bill -- $600.00 per year

Health Insurance -- $12,700 per year

Folks who actually believe God handed the keys of life and death to obama...priceless

For everything else, there's always common sense...

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We all have the same ability to make the amount of money we want to.

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"Kim Jong-Un speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” An actual sitting US President said that. Let that sink in.

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the fact that the insurance industry is a middle man, they don't add anything to the care of the patient, to the contrary they work against caring for the patient lots of times, and they make more money than the hospitals and people that actually help people get better.

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No. It boils down to those that will do and those that wont do.

The only difference between a successful business owner or well paid worker and a low wage earning/barely making it wokrer is drive, dedication, and willpower.

We all have the same ability to make the amount of money we want to.

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It looks like some people do not like the"rubber meeting the road" truth shared with them.

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Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

I have an idea. Let's give up, become pawns for the Govt, allow them to tell us what we we do, eat, sleep,live,work, and make with our lives. Let.s forget about being individuals, and become just like everyone else. All of us are the same, all equally poor, and all equally happy and secure.

Some on here do not deserve to be Americans. One of the greats from our early history once said that those who give up a little freedom for a little security deserve neither. Now I know where he was coming from. America wasnt founded and made great by whiners and people who stuck out their hand when the times got tough.

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this is far and away the greatest country in the world with the greatest opportunity, but with that said the idea that all have the Same chance to become successful is a total absurdity, all do have a chance, the same hardly the case, those born to privilege obviously have the greater chance to keep-increase the same, those who are unfortunate and born to poverty are likely to live life at that strata... in this great nation the facts indicate that most people are born into, live in, die in the same social class, that fact totally cancels the idea that all have the same chance to become whatever they might choose... the upper classs has shown some growth recently- makes up about 1.5 to 2.0% of the population, the middle class where the bulk are found has declined, the lower class is growing..... simply the reality of life, the way it is, will always be this way... do not believe we should punish those who are rich nor those who are poor, all should have opportunity and access to become successful, of course it will never be equal access, always going to be rich and poor, the greater the opportunity to achieve, the better off the nation will be, opportunity must be used-not abused, need avenues to achieve, not hand-outs which in the long run further problems, but real opportunity....
the idea that everyone is totally reponsible for success-failure and that no other factors are involved must mean poor baby is responsible for being poor as a rich one deserved-earned wealth.... wish we all did have equal opportunity, but the dream to never be reality, still this is the best place to be-very thankful to have the opportunity to live in this great nation...

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no bill is better than a bad bill.

what they are proposing is going to kill the middle class.

read it and weep

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25415.html

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no john im not one of you rocket sciencetist but i did stay at a cheap motel last nightok. try going to the hospital and get sent back home because you dont have fifthy dollars and you die the next day and you have work all your life, this happen to my friend i only wish they would have call me for the money ok friends.

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no john im not one of you rocket sciencetist but i did stay at a cheap motel last nightok. try going to the hospital and get sent back home because you dont have fifthy dollars and you die the next day and you have work all your life, this happen to my friend i only wish they would have call me for the money ok friends.

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rrs, don't agree with some of the things you said here.

The studies I have read have shown that the "classes" are very fluid and most in the middle class will move into upper eventually.

Some move back down.

If someone wants to work and get an education the studies also show they don't stay in the lower class, they move up to the middle.

The reason the middle class was shrinking in 2006 was because too many people were moving into the upper class according to the demographics of that time.

I don't know anyone that hasn't improved their lot in life unless they just made poor choices or had some very bad, unusual circumstances. Almost everyone I went to HS with that stayed away from the hard stuff and actually got a job is better off than their parents were.

My family was the poorest of the poor, no hot water heater when I was in 3rd grade, had to heat bath water on the stove. Myself, my parents, and my brother have all improved our station in life.

Same for everyone in my family, even extended family. Same for every generation.

The opportunity is there if the correct decisions and work ethic is applied the MAJORITY of the time. Sure there are cases where it's not but that's the minority if you sit down and think about it objectivly and not emotionally the great majority of the people are responsible for their financial place in the US.

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no john im not one of you rocket sciencetist

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Those who have the most drive and are happy to work hard all day long end up with jobs where they get compensated poorly.

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It boils down to the haves and have nots! Gov't option to me means choice.

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Rip,
no doubt that many move up, but most do not period for many-many reasons.... not sure what study you have read that states most middle class move up to upper class, if so the upper class would be gowing expotentially, it has shown some growth, but not what you are reporting.... all of the studies I have read-done for many yrs. show statistically that most are born into-live in-die in the same social class, this is the 1st generation coming where children-grandchildren may have less opportunity than their parents-grandparents, many reasons for this... bottom line is this is the greatest nation on earth with the most opportunity, but that opportunity is not the same for those at the bottom as for those who start nearer the top.... family stories such as yours are very possible, do occur, and often, but still more the exception than the rule... also how class is measured with vertical and hotizontal mobility dimensions mediate against crossing calss boundaries, which are arbitrary at best.... middle class includes upper-middle-lower catagories which have a great deal of variation, being in the upper middle for example is quite a great place to be.... as always enjoy-respect-value your thoughts, but sure that you are much more at home-highly-skilled in the operating room than in the sociological discipline of Social Stratification, class not $$$ alone, the 3ps, property-power-prestige, ses, social-economic-status...
do enjoy your insight and always learn from it, always well presented-informative....

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rrs, look at the way I worded my reply LOL.

That study was done I think in 2006, and it was done in response to all the cries of "the middle class is shrinking".

At that time the demographics showed that indeed the middle class was shrinking, but that it was because of people moving up, not down.

The reason I worded my comment the way I did was because I don't read those demographics very often, and that was the one that I remembered.

I can't speak to the others, nor to the validity of them either.

That one was a pretty good study, but as you know it was only one study, one snapshot in time.

I do agree that the "classes" are hard to define, and are very fluid.

I do not agree that all can't elevate their class, with rare exception (mental aptitude, injury, handicap). Otherwise it is pretty much ruled by the choices one makes, did they get more education or take a chance with the only factory in town? When bad things happened did they get more education or try to change locations/professions or did they just keep drawing. Did they go to jail for a poor choice? Start a family too early?

If looked at objectively without emotion (very hard to do) many of the unfortunate things can be tied back to personal decisions.

There are exceptions to everything. Plenty of good people that made good choices are limited by circumstances beyond their control, but I feel this is the exception rather than the rule.

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