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I am just curious as to how these tens of thousands hold down a job and then go home to spend quality time with their family and yet at the same time volunteer for Obama on a daily bases? I am serious about this question, how do they do it? Thanks, Trott.

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joe, you missed a detail here- you dont pay taxes on what you have to pay yourself, you pay taxes on the health care that your employer provides for you. national average is around $12,000 per employee. subtract your 5000 tax credit now you are paying on only $7000. i will use your rate of %27. CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE JUST VOTED YOURSELF A $490 DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!

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All I know is if making 200k a year is considered middle class I sure would love to be middle class. I must be trailer park trash haha

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Isnt it sad, eh, that Obama and the Democrats demonized and tried to destroy as man who had a dream, and asked a question that exposed Obama's real plans for this country and ultimately crippled his campaign??

What kind of person tries to destroy and humiliate a common citizen for ASKING A QUESTION??

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Knox, I didn't call you a communist or a marxist.

I only stated that OPRAMA IS.

You can't deny that because even he doesn't deny it.

He has openly stated that he is for wealth redistribution, which is socialism. He hasn't hidden it and in fact has relished the fact that he is a marxist/socialist. He has openly bragged about all of his marxist associations and how they are his heroes, and was a member of the Socialist party. I am not calling him that, HE is calling HIMSELF that.

Anyone that denies it just refuses to believe anything bad about their "messiah" who is going to "give them the moon" at the expense of other people.

As to the 200 grand middle class, they have already lowered it from 250, to 200, now to 150.

Like I have stated all along it is the classic democratic bait and switch on the taxes, claim to "tax the rich" but when the tax actually comes about it goes all the way down to 25 or 30 grand a year.

Of course it will go down even farther than that cause Oprama himself has admitted that one of the first things he wants to do is increase the taxes on the lower and middle classes (lowes tax bracket) by 39%. This is what happens when you "roll back" the Bush tax cuts because those tax cuts decreased the taxes of the lowest taxpayers by 39%. So right there tells you that his "cut taxes for 95% of Americans" is an outright lie because he has already said he is raising taxes on everybody by rolling back the tax cuts.

Here's a hint, when you raise taxes, that's a tax increase.

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At my company, health insurance for a family runs about $15,000 per year.

McCain would tax whatever portion the employer pays as additional income to the employee (from McCains website). You can check it out.

So, if you have employer provided health insurance, you will have $15,000 more in taxable income (if employer pays full load). This will shift a lot of people into higher tax brackets. So, if you are in the 25% tax bracket, you get a $3,750 tax increase under McCain.

To offset this tax increase, McCain offers a $5,000 tax credit. To quote McCains website : "The credit goes to the insurance company that the American family chooses to get coverage from." It DOES NOT go to the taxpayer!!!

I've read details of McCains health plan on his own website. It is designed first and foremost to benefit the health insurance companies. It would ultimately lead to a large scale dismantling of employer provided health coverage. How? It encourages younger workers to bail out of employer provided coverage, and purchase their own insurance with the help of a tax credit to their insurance company. This would leave the group with older workers, those with health problems, and both older and younger women---younger women may have maternity costs. With this type of group, premiums rise significantly. That means even higher taxes on the working people in this group, or more likely, the employer dropping coverage because of prohibitive costs.

So, the insurance companies win. They take the low risk individuals, and access super premiums on others. Corporate America wins, because they will end up divesting themselves of health insurance premiums. Who loses? Working class Americans and their children!

This is an attack on most of working class America, plain and simple!!!

On the plus side, I see no way that a Democratic Congress would allow this to happen!!!

Go to McCains website. Don't just read his little pill capsules. Read the details!!!

If you don't have employer paid health insurance, or you have to pay for your own insurance, McCain's plan works for you! If you have employer provided coverage McCain wants to tax it, and in the not-too-long-term you will possibly lose employer provided coverage altogether!!!

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so vote for the Muslim then and quit crying.

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I was going to vote for McCain, that is until I watched the debate, John McCain, has Voted with President Bush 90% of the time, he said this in his own words, he wants to tax my employer provided health care as income, and is looking out for the Fat Cat CEOs and Executives. He will DESTROY THE MIDDLE CLASS AND DRIVE US INTO THE DEEPEST DEPRESSION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is not for Joe the Plumber, he is for Joe, the CEO.
Im voting for OBama, and I dont care who dosnt like it.

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At my company, health insurance for a family runs about $15,000 per year.

McCain would tax whatever portion the employer pays as additional income to the employee (from McCains website). You can check it out.

So, if you have employer provided health insurance, you will have $15,000 more in taxable income (if employer pays full load). This will shift a lot of people into higher tax brackets. So, if you are in the 25% tax bracket, you get a $3,750 tax increase under McCain.

To offset this tax increase, McCain offers a $5,000 tax credit. To quote McCains website : "The credit goes to the insurance company that the American family chooses to get coverage from." It DOES NOT go to the taxpayer!!!

I've read details of McCains health plan on his own website. It is designed first and foremost to benefit the health insurance companies. It would ultimately lead to a large scale dismantling of employer provided health coverage. How? It encourages younger workers to bail out of employer provided coverage, and purchase their own insurance with the help of a tax credit to their insurance company. This would leave the group with older workers, those with health problems, and both older and younger women---younger women may have maternity costs. With this type of group, premiums rise significantly. That means even higher taxes on the working people in this group, or more likely, the employer dropping coverage because of prohibitive costs.

So, the insurance companies win. They take the low risk individuals, and access super premiums on others. Corporate America wins, because they will end up divesting themselves of health insurance premiums. Who loses? Working class Americans and their children!

This is an attack on most of working class America, plain and simple!!!

On the plus side, I see no way that a Democratic Congress would allow this to happen!!!

Go to McCains website. Don't just read his little pill capsules. Read the details!!!

If you don't have employer paid health insurance, or you have to pay for your own insurance, McCain's plan works for you! If you have employer provided coverage McCain wants to tax it, and in the not-too-long-term you will possibly lose employer provided coverage altogether!!!

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the man has one vote,in any giving session! joe the plummber is a joke in my book,who can't use glue to stick to pieces of pipe together?

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Joe looks like he will be the choice of mccain the be sec. of labor. He is on the trail with mccain. Now dont chuckle about this after all he did add palin to his ticket and she knows about as much as joe does. All this together show how off the wall mccain is.

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At my company, health insurance for a family runs about $15,000 per year.

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Obama promises to bankrupt coal industry

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it[Obama's cap and trade plan] will bankrupt them."

He didnt know he was on tape.


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liberalcreek,You can belive those number about what it cost for ins. My plan is just over 16,000 and that is not the full cost. I also pay a large part.

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Hold your Huskies Honalieh.There is no way that figure can be true.

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why we all should vote democrat watch this video.

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McCain is the way of the future if you want to keep your guns and your rights.

I like what the Rev. Dr. Phil Kidd said....
"It's a shame Lincoln didn’t go to the theater before the war."

Osamba will be just like Lincoln, he will “CHANGE” his views on all subjects great and small just like Lincoln. In addition, most all the men and one woman who has been president have been this way. They “CHANGE” to mainstream America.
Most of them just like most of the leaders of this country do not have enough guts to make a splat on a windshield.
So I say vote the way you want to, but when you Osamba followers vote yourself into a mess it will be us gun carrying McCain supporters that will have to kill the terrorists off your doorstep.

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Thanks for laying out the McBush healthcare plan..............it sounds GREAT doesnt it ?.........LOL...Tim

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I wouldnt raise the BS flag quite so quickly.
My fathers been with the local electrical union for 30 some years. Local 5. He pays about $275 for insurance on a normal 40hr work WEEK. This is deducted out of his wages. Not paid by the employer on his behalf. I just looked at several pay stubs to verify this for myself.
80/20 plan.
$275 x 52 weeks = $14,300 Family of 3.

Myself, I'm a teacher just myself in coverage. I pay about $40 a month, my employer contributes $400.
HMO plan with low co pay
$440 x 12 months = $5280 Family of 1.

I dunno where they got the number of premiums(including what employer contributes) averaging $5000 but I'm not buying. The only way I see that as a possibility is if Your avg. in the millions of people with No coverage ($0.)

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Tell me again what exactly Obama's plan is to help middle class citizens?

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and it's not on the obamamainia propaganda sheet......

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3 pages and still no answer to this question.theres your answer they dont know.

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I wouldnt raise the BS flag quite so quickly.
My fathers been with the local electrical union for 30 some years. Local 5. He pays about $275 for insurance on a normal 40hr work WEEK. This is deducted out of his wages. Not paid by the employer on his behalf. I just looked at several pay stubs to verify this for myself.
80/20 plan.
$275 x 52 weeks = $14,300 Family of 3.

Myself, I'm a teacher just myself in coverage. I pay about $40 a month, my employer contributes $400.
HMO plan with low co pay
$440 x 12 months = $5280 Family of 1.

I dunno where they got the number of premiums(including what employer contributes) averaging $5000 but I'm not buying. The only way I see that as a possibility is if Your avg. in the millions of people with No coverage ($0.)

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i didnt really read everyone's post because I was getting kind of sick of the back and forth b.s. I'm not saying who I am for because i'm not a 100% sure who would be better. However, I do want to know where at and when anyone on this board has heard either one of the candidates mention guns or hunting rights and privelidges during this campaign.

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and it's not on the obamamainia propaganda sheet...... so they don't have a clue, all they know is obama says free handouts for everyone and thats good enough for the obama zombies.....

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According to Obama's own site...

If you make $30,000 a year, file as head of household and have 2 dependents you will pay MORE under his plan to the tune of $180/yr.

If you make $40,000 you will pay $450 MORE in taxes a year

If you make $50,000-$75,000/year you will pay basically the same as McCains' plan.

If you make $100,000 you will save $300

If you make $150,000+ you will get no tax cut of any kind.

If you make $200,000+ you will get not tax break of any kind.

The facts dont lie. This is from obama's own website.

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