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Hard hunting is a perception, treeing coon and looking at them is not.

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Hard hunting is a perception, treeing coon and looking at them is not.

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Hard hunting is a perception, treeing coon and looking at them is not.

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I think its at least 75 percent the female. If she is not a hard hunter you are gonna have a majority of so so pups. I can promise u the pups out of Bo and a good female, 1 thing u will never have to do is wonder if they will be back!!!!!!!!! There is probably 10 young dogs close to me out of different females you can hunt with . TYRE

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John,

You are absolutely right. What type of hound you hunt depends on where you live, and some people live where they do not know if they have a true hard going dog that has no come back.

I say this from experience because I have lived in NE Indiana for 1 year, and have hunted in 27 states and Canada, and have lived in East Central Oklahoma, for the other 25 years of my life.

When I lived in Indiana you did not need a dog that would go 3 miles to tree one, matter of fact that is a good way to get one killed up there, trust me I pulled one off the highway. A guy could get by with hunting what would be a close to medium hunting dog and never know if his dog was the type to go like John said it is sometimes needed like here in the hills and hardwoods of Oklahoma.

Places I hunted that have a greater need for a go yonder type of dog would be: Ok, Ar, La, Ky, Tn, Ms, Al, Ga, NC, SC, WV, and even parts of Southern Indiana, and Southern Ohio, Tx, and Va. Some states I have mentioned however do have parts that are more populated with coon and possibly could get by with a close to medium hunter.

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A hard hunting dog has an advantage if you can hear them. Hard hunting is great but coon treeing ability is still # one in my books. If your looking at them instead of for them you won't tree very many coon.

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Coon treeing ability is absolutely number 1.

But you can't tree them if you don't find them.

And sometimes they need to go deep to find one.

I don't want one blowing through the country straight lining past coons, but when I turn a dog loose, I prefer to see him under a coon when I see him next.

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The worst type of dog in the world is a go yonder type dog with no brains!

I like a go yonder dog for me, because of my location, but without brains I don't want one.

Some dogs are hard going but have no personality. I don't like that either myself.

If people were just flat honest NO dogs of ANY line consistently produce a dog with the hunt, brains, looks, and ABILITY.

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The worst type of dog in the world is a go yonder type dog with no brains!

I like a go yonder dog for me, because of my location, but without brains I don't want one.

Some dogs are hard going but have no personality. I don't like that either myself.

If people were just flat honest NO dogs of ANY line consistently produce a dog with the hunt, brains, looks, and ABILITY.

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NORTHERN BLUE JED,

IS ABOUT AS HARD HUNTING AS YOU WANT ONE TO BE, HE WILL GO AS DEEP AS NEEDED THERE IS NO COMEBACK, AND HE WILL NOT JUST RUN UNDER COON, BUT HE WILL GO UNTIL HE COMES TREED. HE HAS BEEN HUNTED IN MS,OK,ALA,MI,LA, SO ON HE IS THE SAME DOG WHEREVER YOU PUT HIM DOWN..

HE IS ALMOST 10 AND HE IS IN OK RIGHT NOW TURNED HIM LOOSE 3 NIGHTS AGO AND TREED A COON RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THEN HE RAN A BIG OLE BOAR BOUT A MILE UP A CRK AND STARTED ACROSS A BIG HAY FIELD WHEN HE HAD TO TAKE TO THE TIMBER.....

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Places I hunted that have a greater need for a go yonder type of dog would be: Ok, Ar, La, Ky, Tn, Ms, Al, Ga, NC, SC, WV, and even parts of Southern Indiana, and Southern Ohio, Tx, and Va. Some states I have mentioned however do have parts that are more populated with coon and possibly could get by with a close to medium hunter.

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Yeah, I was hunting a go yonder dog the four times I hunted in the MOUNTAIN MOMMA. Three nights I found my dog with my tracker treed in what seemed like the next state, and one night I drew feed buckets and won grands.

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To me this thread has turned into a joke. A man ask for some suggestions and all the sudden there is a bunch of finger pointing and assumptions being made over what stud truly throws hard hunters. I have had some complaints on Bullet II's pups hunting style, but it was that they had too much hunt. Sorry that this one cross didn't throw a complete litter that gets a mile in five minutes.

Don't take this wrong Roger because I know how nice of a female Ruby was, but you told me in my front yard that you just couldn't find a cross with Ruby that worked like you thought it should. I think Bullet II has shown his dominance with proof right there.

So why don't we come together for once and try to help Roger find what he is looking for, not what you want him to hear. If this is the only thing he would like to improve on then I would say is ahead of the game. Good luck with your search Roger.

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To me this thread has turned into a joke. A man ask for some suggestions and all the sudden there is a bunch of finger pointing and assumptions being made over what stud truly throws hard hunters. I have had some complaints on Bullet II's pups hunting style, but it was that they had too much hunt. Sorry that this one cross didn't throw a complete litter that gets a mile in five minutes.

Don't take this wrong Roger because I know how nice of a female Ruby was, but you told me in my front yard that you just couldn't find a cross with Ruby that worked like you thought it should. I think Bullet II has shown his dominance with proof right there.

So why don't we come together for once and try to help Roger find what he is looking for, not what you want him to hear. If this is the only thing he would like to improve on then I would say is ahead of the game. Good luck with your search Roger.

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I know I dont have a top stud dog or anything but I love to be around other bluetickers. I enjoy learning more & more about the ones who started the famous bloodlines. And talking to others that know more about blue dogs than I do. JMO

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im not a bluetick man but i had 1 that was out of bobo and she really was a nice dog. hard goin cold nose and accurate. id recomend him 2 anyone that wanted that

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Rodger, I have a litter mate to your female. This is the cross I will be making. Jet 4
Jet 5
Sire Super Jet 6 Hoosier C C Lady II

Dark Blue Delta Dash
White's Blue Sue

Dark Blue Sweet Thang



Riley's Nimrod (Hoss)

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Be's Blue Jean


Bonnie R Blue Slife"s Blue Rambo
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Blue Ruby Smiley's Misty Blue
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Smiley's Blue Angel

You are more than welcome to a pair of these puppies when I make this cross. Hoss is a hard going dog in Southeast Alabama
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Gentlemen, I hope that I have not in any way left the impression that I was critical of any man's dog.

I have never hunted with Bullet II, but Gary Uchtman told me just today that he had drawn the dog, and that he was a top hound.

I hunted with Tom Jones's dog out of him, and he was a nice dog, with all the go a man could want.

I have made the suggestions I made because of what I have had experience with, and have certainly not meant to be critical of anything else.

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Tate,Rodney Jewell is a good friend of mine.Tell him high for me next time you guys go hunting.

I started this thread because my female is slow about getting in the dark.I like her disposition,her loud mouth,winding,driving a track one way,staying hooked at a tree no matter how long it takes me to get there,and her looks.I want to find an established dominate male that throws hard going pups.What i mean by hard going pups is they leave the instant there turned loose,and go hunting.I don't want them hanging around me,and i don't want to hear limbs popping,and leaves rustling near by twenty minutes into the hunt.I sure didn't want to hurt anyones feelings,just wanted some good information being it's so hard to go hunt with all the pups out of all the studs.I posted her pedigree looking for suggestions on where i should double up,or what i could add.Not to pick on any one dog in the pedigree.
If anyone has information about the type of male i'm looking for please e-mail me at bluetick101@yahoo.com.I appreciate the people that have responded,and called with good information.Thank you!
I'm not going to respond to this thread in the future,so please e-mail me if you want a response,or post it here.

Thank you Wayne for the offer.Let me know if you breed her.Will depend on pen space.

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Tate,Rodney Jewell is a good friend of mine.Tell him high for me next time you guys go hunting.

I started this thread because my female is slow about getting in the dark.I like her disposition,her loud mouth,winding,driving a track one way,staying hooked at a tree no matter how long it takes me to get there,and her looks.I want to find an established dominate male that throws hard going pups.What i mean by hard going pups is they leave the instant there turned loose,and go hunting.I don't want them hanging around me,and i don't want to hear limbs popping,and leaves rustling near by twenty minutes into the hunt.I sure didn't want to hurt anyones feelings,just wanted some good information being it's so hard to go hunt with all the pups out of all the studs.I posted her pedigree looking for suggestions on where i should double up,or what i could add.Not to pick on any one dog in the pedigree.
If anyone has information about the type of male i'm looking for please e-mail me at bluetick101@yahoo.com.I appreciate the people that have responded,and called with good information.Thank you!
I'm not going to respond to this thread in the future,so please e-mail me if you want a response,or post it here.

Thank you Wayne for the offer.Let me know if you breed her.Will depend on pen space.

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I may have missed a post, but I haven't seen where anybody has gotten out of line on this thread and slammed anything.

I need to go back and re-read it and see what I didn't notice the first time.

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you can get lazy dogs every now and then as far as getting yonder when spany is involved and he was a dominant reproducer. jmo

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What some folks call hard hunting I just consider dumb.

Running past coons on the way to the next section is not desireable.

But if you live where coon aren't so thick, you develop and appreciation for one with the drive to get deep if they need to.

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Roger if you want something that gets through the country side and trees coon as he comes to them, Mailes Blue BOB. Mose is anouther, he will tree a coon or two by himself on most cast. He also will get through the country side, alone. Go hunting with either hound and see for yourself. Leaf a couple barkers in the box just to make sure they don't mind going alone. Bring the best you can find and let them tree a couple coons on them. Both hounds have offspring you can hunt with. If you see either one of them at a hunt your best bet is to put your money on one of them to win.

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