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I'm not going to side either way but will voice my thoughts just for discussion. Hunting and trapping are both being used as management tools nowdays not for sport or a means of living like they started out years ago. The DNR has got to love connibears for that reason just like they probrably liked the year around coon kill season in Minnesota that is now gone.

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It makes me mad that i could have a dog killed in a trap tomorrow night and if theres no tag on the trap nobody takes the blame? seems kinda lame to me. And the punishment is a stupid @$$ fine??? how is that fair?

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Im not taking sides on this one.. but its about as fair as having a dog hit and killed on the road and the driver keeps right on driving.. they arent gonna outlaw cars because a dog was killed on the road.. that is how i look at it!!

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A person can train a dog to avoid roads. Now try to get them to avoid a bucket or a fencline etc. that smells like a coon


Maybe I'm just to old. It seemed years ago that trappers were surgical and ethical. Now it seems that they are willing to trade killing my dog for checking their traps daily. preparing sets properly, and doing proper scouting.

Years ago if your dog messed with a leghold set you would make sure that the first coon of the night wound up in that trap...even if it was a hide. If you set traps you would use tags trapping areas would overlap and you would watch out for other trappers. There was "Johnny Sneakums" back then.

It seems now any knuckle dragging troll spreads dangerous traps and snares anywhere they want thinking that the landowner won't be there anyway, and using the excuse the dog should be under the owners control or in sight at all times.

Right now trapping under seige in northern MN due to the Lynx issue. Part of me wants to throw in with them but the rational part tells me these are the same slobs that have no concern for houndsmen. Let them ban trapping..........and prepare for the eco-terrorists attacks on hunting in general.

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you can train your dogs to avoid traps, trapping dogs do

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A buddy of mine broke his dogs of sticking there heads in buckets baited with beaver chunks and muskrat chunks. Seams to be working pretty good. Something I'm going to work on with my hounds this year. I have a little rat terrier that runs the trap line with me. He will run down the trail ahead of me and I'm willing to bet he would avoid 20 out of 20 snares, but he has been at this game for a few years now. I caught him in one leg-hold and have never caught him since. I'm not saying every one has the time to teach a dog this, I'm just making the comment on how smart I think my little dog is. He also knows way before we get to the trap whether anything is in it or not.

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There is a huge difference between training a dog to avoid meat baited leghold traps, and training a coonhound to avoid a bucket set that had a coon thrashing around while it was dying the night or more before. It is quite normal for a hound to follow a coon trail, the same place the conibear blind sets are made on.

Typically the trapper uses either a hole in a fence or makes one, well when that hound is following a trail its going to try to run the same hole, when it can't do that it will try to bypass the fence, and when that doesn't work up and over it goes...

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you can train your dogs to avoid traps, trapping dogs do

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easy there kid ! it can be done, i've seen plenty of dogs that will avoid traps if trained etc...they can smell traps,

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Ok normally i don't get involved in this stuff, but Ghostcoon your always looking for trouble, i know the type, your one of the guys that puts a dog box in the back of a truck and your IQ goes down by half, your the type that loves to be a redneck just to annoy people........
If you actually hunted and i mean hunted like 300 nights or so a year and knew dogs, you'd know that they can be trained to avoid traps, I myself could care less, I hunt and i hunt hard and i'm going to lose dogs to shotguns, traps, highways, thats all part of hunting and i accept that, but if you can't accept that then train them to avoid the traps, Get a pile of traps and shock them off them, or just catch one and make sure you get it out before it chokes off, they'll avoid them, just like a trap caught coyote will avoid traps, they know whats goin on .........
But don't get on here and spout your **** about something you don't know anything about, just go hunting and avoid trouble...it might actually be productive and you'd learn some stuff....and you'd quite giving minnesota hunters a bad name etc......Thanks Rick

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Ok normally i don't get involved in this stuff, but Ghostcoon your always looking for trouble, i know the type, your one of the guys that puts a dog box in the back of a truck and your IQ goes down by half, your the type that loves to be a redneck just to annoy people........
If you actually hunted and i mean hunted like 300 nights or so a year and knew dogs, you'd know that they can be trained to avoid traps, I myself could care less, I hunt and i hunt hard and i'm going to lose dogs to shotguns, traps, highways, thats all part of hunting and i accept that, but if you can't accept that then train them to avoid the traps, Get a pile of traps and shock them off them, or just catch one and make sure you get it out before it chokes off, they'll avoid them, just like a trap caught coyote will avoid traps, they know whats goin on .........
But don't get on here and spout your **** about something you don't know anything about, just go hunting and avoid trouble...it might actually be productive and you'd learn some stuff....and you'd quite giving minnesota hunters a bad name etc......Thanks Rick

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Easier solution make conibears dog proof real easy todo therer to many baits and atractants and to many factors thats its unpractical to break a dog+ ya i could easly break a dog on my own trapline but not so easy to break em off jimbobs line

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Ok normally i don't get involved in this stuff, but Ghostcoon your always looking for trouble, i know the type, your one of the guys that puts a dog box in the back of a truck and your IQ goes down by half, your the type that loves to be a redneck just to annoy people........
If you actually hunted and i mean hunted like 300 nights or so a year and knew dogs, you'd know that they can be trained to avoid traps, I myself could care less, I hunt and i hunt hard and i'm going to lose dogs to shotguns, traps, highways, thats all part of hunting and i accept that, but if you can't accept that then train them to avoid the traps, Get a pile of traps and shock them off them, or just catch one and make sure you get it out before it chokes off, they'll avoid them, just like a trap caught coyote will avoid traps, they know whats goin on .........
But don't get on here and spout your **** about something you don't know anything about, just go hunting and avoid trouble...it might actually be productive and you'd learn some stuff....and you'd quite giving minnesota hunters a bad name etc......Thanks Rick

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RICK if i can learn so much from you lets go hunt, and whats your last name what hunts have you won?

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Easier solution make conibears dog proof real easy todo therer to many baits and atractants and to many factors thats its unpractical to break a dog+ ya i could easly break a dog on my own trapline but not so easy to break em off jimbobs line

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The trapers allready no how

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Well then it should be fixible!!! Why dont all trappers do that then?? I have no clue how to fix it.. hence the reason im not a trapper!! Seems reasonable.. if there is a way to prevent dogs from getting into these traps.. it should be used!!

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i am in the middle of teaching my dog french but i gave him a break for 10 minutes and thought id come on here.

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Well then it should be fixible!!! Why dont all trappers do that then?? I have no clue how to fix it.. hence the reason im not a trapper!! Seems reasonable.. if there is a way to prevent dogs from getting into these traps.. it should be used!!

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Can't say they aren't trying.
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubb...01/nt/3/fpart/1

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Here is another.
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubb...8849#Post688849

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Expensive little things.
http://www.nwtrappers.com/catalog/traps/dogproof.asp

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I am a coonhunter and a trapper. I use a limited number of #220's set up on trails in ditches. Dogproofing bodygripper style traps is easy, inexpensive, and makes them more effective as larger coon won't shy away from the trigger wires brushing against their wiskers. They work in buckets or trails. You simply set the trap with the trigger wires at the bottom bent 90 degrees to the jaws. Fashion a pan out of light gauge metal and secure it to the trigger wires.

I don't know about the laws in MN, but in Iowa you cannot legally set #220 size bodygrippers within 5 feet of any fence in a road right of way. (That's ditch to you ghost coon). A dog will rarely be caught in them as they will simply jump over or go around. It is also illegal in Iowa to set a #220 size bodygripper in the ditch within 200 yds of occupied buildings or feedlots. This is common sense as it eliminates catching pets. I fully support both of these laws, and will call the game warden each and every time I find someone not following them.

As for the idea that trappers only set #220's because they are "too lazy" to check every day- nonsense. 24 hour trap checks are mandatory in Iowa. Simple fact of the matter is when used prudently, the #220 is a highly effective, humane way of harvesting coon.

Coondogs can be easily trained to avoid buckets. Make a bucket set with an older, weak-springed #220. Only engage one of the springs. Place something really tasty in the the bucket, then let the dog find it. Stay close enough to observe the dog, and let it get caught in the trap. Let the dog out of the trap after a few moments. Any dog with enough brains to tree a coon should only need taught that lesson once. Ever after he will go the other way when he sees a bucket laying on it's side. Some of the slower dogs may need a second lesson. For the REALLY slow dogs (the ghostcoons of the dog world) give them a third lesson with a brand new #330. Lesson is over when the dog stops moving.

If you steal or mess with someone else's legally set trap, how is that different than someone shooting or stealing your hound from an area you have permission to be on? I certainly understand the difference in the money and time invested in a dog, but is the principle different? BOTH SITUATIONS ARE UNETHICAL AND ILLEGAL

Bottom line- there are jerks and slobs who say they are trappers, and there are jerks and slobs who say they are coon hunters. ALL TRUE OUTDOORSMAN MUST SUPPORT EACH OTHER OR THERE WILL BE NONE OF US LEFT- THE ANTIS WILL PICK US OFF SPORT BY SPORT.

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Well done Mavryk1971. Also if you make wooden boxes for your 220's and notch the sides so you can set the trap back in the box about 8 inches, then as a extra deterrent for dogs when building the box leave the top board stick out a extra 6 inches like a over hang. Makes it extremely hard for a dog to get down that low and be far enough back in to get caught.

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Ther is also a way with a bucket with the cover on it i dnt no it bt had a trjaper explain it to me once

Mavryk its every 48 hrs for body grippers in mn

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