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Dan Dogs
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ive hunted

coon for 35yrs. I think some locate by grubbing there nose on the tree and some locate by air scent but the more accurate dogs locate by using both ways. dogs that tree off of air scent will have a tendancy to miss by a tree or two on a windy night. and a dog that just locates from scent on the bark will miss on the thick tangled stuff. the dogs that put the two together seem to be more accurate. and the better the nose the better the dog if they can put it all together. if they can't they can be miserable!

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Justin Smith
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Good post , Dan ... a top dog better be able to do it both ways and they better use their brain too .. a dog that just pull up based on scent will get fooled plenty .. those thinking dogs are the ones that make you just shake your head some nights at the way they can get things done.

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Dan Dogs
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but i do love

a cold nose track driving sucker that tree's the first coon that climbs!

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larrypoe
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Re: ive hunted

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
coon for 35yrs. I think some locate by grubbing there nose on the tree and some locate by air scent but the more accurate dogs locate by using both ways. dogs that tree off of air scent will have a tendancy to miss by a tree or two on a windy night. and a dog that just locates from scent on the bark will miss on the thick tangled stuff. the dogs that put the two together seem to be more accurate. and the better the nose the better the dog if they can put it all together. if they can't they can be miserable!

Amen brother. A hound has to have a good nose, AND the brains to use it. A top one will quit working the ground on frosty nights/ nights when coon are sittin, and work the air. On windy nights have the brains to run the track to the RIGHT tree. Those are the rare ones that amaze us night after night. No excuses, just tree coon.

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Oak Ridge
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Location: Indiana
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Originally posted by Justin Smith
To say that hunting is the same everywhere is just not true ... not even from one side of a county to the other is it the same around here.

Justin,

Sorry you think that I am steering the conversation anywhere.

I know that the conditions vary from place to place, and that there are some places that are much harder to tree a coon in. To say differently would be stupid on my part.

That is why there are feeder buckets galore that are used in the hunts! Here is where I am coming from. Admittedly, I live and hunt in a very good coon population, yet I continue to see dogs that are at best 60% accurate. How can that be due to the fact that the coon are "easy" to tree here? I'm not talking about one dog, or a couple of dogs, I see LOTS of dogs that just simple make trees that do not contain coon.

Having said that, I have come to the conclusion that accuracy is a combination of #1 Desire (game drive) , #2 Nose, #3 Tracking, and #4 Intelligence.

Today, we dont have to concentrate much on the treeing instinct as breeders have "fine tuned" that to the point where it is natural in almost every dog. I rated game drive as #1 in my list because the biggest problem I see today with dogs that miss consistantly is they really don't care if there is a coon there or not... they have enough game drive to trail, up until the track becomes difficult, dry, lots of green briars, swamps etc....and then they simply are overcome by the treeing instinct and they grab a tree.

Their nose fails them, they don't have the trailing ability or intelligence to work out the problem, and the treeing instinct takes over....and you have an empty tree.

Some will say they have "too much tree"...I say they don't have enough of game drive, nose, tracking ability, and intelligence.... regardless of where they are turned loose.

I contend that a dog that is balanced in these traits will be accurate anywhere you drop them.

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jackbob42
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Ya know Joe , I've got some farmers that want alot of coon shot off. Maybe we should just get together and do a video of " keeping score with a rifle " right now with all the leaves on.
But , I got a feeling , even if we got 100 on tape , people would still make excuses. I'm sure that no matter how we did it , we'd be accused of " trick photography ". LOL
But , should you want to , just let me know.

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