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Katgirl, the doctors oath to "do no harm" refers to the patient. Do no harm to the patient. It doesn't mean you can't shoot a coon out, kill a deer or turkey or eat meat. It just means they aren't suppose to perform a treatment that harms the patient.

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Katgirl, do you have a brother named Sheep??

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I said I was going to catch some grief and JiM, you may be right about that. I figured it meant do no harm to any animal, but as I said you may be right.
LOL....NO Sheepster is NOT my brother or any other kin.....that I know of. LOL

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I wasn't looking to give grief, just to answer the question you asked.
Everyone knows I never intentionally give any grief............

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Still, I want to thank you for giving me something to think about. As I said, I wasn't even looking at the oath in that way, but what you say makes sense. You have my permission to give me grief! LOL

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or "brands" as wfkii likes to call it. In times past this would be a perfectly acceptable cross if the parents were of your choosing but now with "PR" and papers the cross has little to no value.
Kind of makes one want to rethink the whole "crossbred" issue when one considers that there could be litters out there with the potential to make perfectly fine treedogs but would be culled instead due to a lack of paperwork.

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Thank you very much Jim...
The oath I took is to "do no harm" to my patients. Money has nothing to do with my choices in how I practice medicine. I truely hope Katdog has no need for a veterinarian if I am around. I despise people who make judgements about me in my profession with out ever meeting me or talking to me. Yes, I hunt. I do not take life frivously or with intent to cause pain and suffering. Telling someone to dispose of the pups as they see fit means just what it says. How that person "sees fit" is not my business. There are plenty of people who care less about papers or like hounds for pets. I did not say or insinuate that I condone killing pups. I do feel very strongly that pups may be much better off euthanized at birth than to be put in negligent or abusive homes. Katdog, you can take this anyway you would like. Until you walk in my shoes do not pass judgement on me or how I conduct my life. That is for a being far greater than you.

PS I agree EnglishBabe says somethings better left unsaid.

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Just thought I would drop this link in here.

http://www.biggamehoundsmen.com/

You might advertise on there if you let her have the pups. Most of us big game runners always say papers don't put game up trees and lots of our dogs are crossbred. So you might try that.

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Katdog.......I like it. Might just have to change my name! Sorry I upset you Long Ears, like I said in my original post, I wasn't trying to belittle anyone. I agreed with Jim and said he made sense. Thats my last word on this subject.

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Look people, all I have done is ask a simple question and did not mean to get into a lengthy debate or to get people's "feathers" ruffled. This may be a question many people have but are not willing to ask for whatever reason. I am new to this and just want information as to my options concerning various aspects of coon hunting and raising or not raising mixed breed dogs.

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Well Ray, I think you got your answer. Apparently the only safe thing to do is welp the pups and dispose of them in whatever manner you think is best.

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Thanks JiM

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are the dam and sire PKC registered? You should just register them as crossbreeds PKC.

Maybe even single register them UKC

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PS I agree EnglishBabe says somethings better left unsaid.

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for bringing up a dead issue but I just wanted to get things correct. Again, Long Ears, this has absolutly nothing to do with you or JiM, Just wanted to share this.

The Veterinarians Oath

"Being admitted to the profession of veterinary medicine, I solemnly swear to use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health, the relief of animal suffering, and conservation of livestock resources, the promotion of public health, and the advancement of medical knowledge.

I will practice my profession conscientiously, with dignity, and in keeping with the principles of veterinary medical ethics.

I accept as a lifelong obligation the continual improvement of my professional knowledge and competence."


Nowhere does it say, "will do no harm" or "will do no harm to only my patients."
Just wanted to clear up that misunderstanding. And Ray, I did some more research and talked with fellow doctors about this shot and as with all medication there are some risks involved. Most side effects would be infections in the uterus and vaginal canal which may involve having to spay the bitch. In some rare cases, death has resulted from the use of this shot, as death can occur with any drug (or bad dog food) on any animal or human. None the less, I agree that the bitch deliver the pups and give them away as pets.

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I have a question regarding what to do or what remedies are available for a hound that was impregnated by another breed of hound. Is there any way to get the dog to abort the litter and if so what are potential reprecussions to the hound as a result? I have heard that there is a shot you can give the dog so that she will abort the litter. Is this true and who should I contact regarding this?

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they say the shot can mess them up from breeding again

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I did some more research and talked with fellow doctors about this shot and as with all medication there are some risks involved. Most side effects would be infections in the uterus and vaginal canal which may involve having to spay the bitch. In some rare cases, death has resulted from the use of this shot, as death can occur with any drug (or bad dog food) on any animal or human. None the less, I agree that the bitch deliver the pups and give them away as pets.
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Bulky, I have missed you...I hope all is well with you and yours
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We had this happen not very long ago. Bred our redbone to a red male, then a few days later she dug out and bred herself to a german shepherd. Vet said he could give the shot, but if we ever planned on breeding her again not to. He said it is very common to have problems with it. Said it could cause infection leading to hemorrage, cause her to have to be spayed, she could come back in heat and not be able to get pregnant, it could not kill all the pups and we'd still end up with some, etc.

But, since she had been bred by a redbone and a mutt, the litter is mixed. At least part if it is worth something, the others are given away as pets. So you can actually get purebred and mixed breed in the same litter.

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Sorry it took so long to answer your questions but things have been quite busy around here. I didn't forget to mention that I have a DVM, because I don't. I did give my professional opinion after speaking with my "fellow" doctors. I'll let you try to figure that one out. LOL And finally, NO, I will not put the names of my "fellow" doctors on this or any other board. If they want to respond that is entirely up to them. I hope that answers all of your questions.

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walker -bluetick is a VERY popular cross. There is an outfitter that runs waker-blueticks only . he is very successful at treeing bear with these dogs , Big game hunters do not care as much about papers. It is hard to get a GOOD bear dog so if it be a cross breed 'so be it .
As for hunting abilities:: one of the best coon hounds I hunted with:: not mine but I ran it with mine was a black and tan crossed with a doberman.
I have seen this dog walking on top of a rail fence. and also seen her fiveteen feet off the ground in a blowdown tree.
I own some good blue dogs but they are to too big of dogs to do this kind of stuff.
We have LOTS of coon here but 200 coon were shot to this dog in 30 days. At the time there was a guy buying the coon unskinned and then he was skinning the coon and sending the fur up to the sale . And making a profit. So all this guy with the cross dog was doing was hunting and did not have to skin. just take the previous nites coon to the buyer and go hunting again
So I would not give the dog the shot. I would give the pups a shot at seeing how GOOD they do

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Whats the diference, between Knocking them in the head, after they are born, and Aborting them?

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Whats the diference, between Knocking them in the head, after they are born, and Aborting them?

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