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THE REAL PROBLEM is this is not a true elimination style event this has always been one of ukc kennels weakness change the format to 2 cast wins each night or all dogs with 2 cast wins only instead of picking a certain amount of finalists just let the ones with 2 cast wins advance and pay all cast winners something back

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THE REAL PROBLEM is this is not a true elimination style event this has always been one of ukc kennels weakness change the format to 2 cast wins each night or all dogs with 2 cast wins only instead of picking a certain amount of finalists just let the ones with 2 cast wins advance and pay all cast winners something back

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We don't need 95 dogs at the finals just the dogs with 2 plus point cast wins if my dog wins only 1 cast he doesn't deserve to be there hunting against dogs with 2 cast wins

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We don't need 95 dogs at the finals just the dogs with 2 plus point cast wins if my dog wins only 1 cast he doesn't deserve to be there hunting against dogs with 2 cast wins

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Maybe Thayer should consider handing out a participation trophy to all that enter, that may help. It seems to be the new norm 😁

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No re entering just have 2 nights to get qualified win 2 casts all 1 cast winners should qualify or not regardless of cast score you should be able to go with your 1 cast win this year if your giving 50.000 dollars away make it a true elimination type hunt

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Advancement in other sports tournaments it doesn’t matter what you score or if you win by 1 or 100. In this sport it does matter what your score is. If you cannot win please give the person who is winning a chance to advance.

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No re entering just have 2 nights to get qualified win 2 casts all 1 cast winners should qualify or not regardless of cast score you should be able to go with your 1 cast win this year if your giving 50.000 dollars away make it a true elimination type hunt

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No you have 2 nights to get in with your entry both nights you have to win 2 casts

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Out of 260 dogs only 33 got in this year so the odds are pretty bad this year in your zone

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What flaw is in giving everyone the same amount of nights 2 get cast wins no re entering for the rich man no worrying about having 1big cast win to get to the finals everyone gets the same chance just win your casts and move on

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I enjoy UKC’s TOC and WH format. Everyone always brings up the better guide argument. There are many nights coons are sitting up and dogs don’t tree any.

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Explain why he should be given more chance to win than hunters in other casts who are competing against 3 other dogs.

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What flaw is in giving everyone the same amount of nights 2 get cast wins no re entering for the rich man no worrying about having 1big cast win to get to the finals everyone gets the same chance just win your casts and move on

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Seriously, high score should never come into play, cast wins are what really matters. How can anyone actually believe that a high score in one cast is better than any other cast win. You can only beat the dogs in your cast period. I have seen dogs score real high one night only to be dry holed the next night and not score anything. Basing a winner on score definitely is not the right thing. Cast wins and elimination style hunts are the ONLY fair way to have a Winner. This way is fair to every dog competing, not just the lucky draws hunting in a coon zoo. Score based winners do not have to hunt against every cast only the dogs in their cast. Dave

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He’s not being given more of a chance to win. He’s already winning. He’s being given a chance to get a larger score to advance. If you’ve ever been to an event where it
Takes a score to get in the finals you should know that at certain point if you can’t win you pull out and let them get a decent score. Nobody goes to these types of hunts for a CW you go to try and get in the money.

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In my opinion, I think you should have to get 2 cast wins on the same night. If you don't, you get the chance to reenter the following night to cast 2 cast wins on the same night. If you don't get double cast wins on either night, that's the end of road for this event. Try again next year. I think alot of guys forget that you had to have a 1st place win and equal 100 points to make Night Champion. 5 cast wins to make Night Champion doesn't say ol so and so has the better hound,, it just means they might have went to a hunt within reasonable driving distance on every weekend there was a event to get those 5 cast wins. You can take any dog to enough hunts and make them a Night Champion now days. The saying ,so in so had a better guide, we got dried holed. It use to happen all the time. Go to another event next weeks and see if you got better results. If you don't get better results, you might want to go back to training that hound because they aren't ready to be in a hunt anyhow. I know this message will tick some guys off but the truth is the truth anyway you cut it. The bad news is, probably over 50% of the dogs at the TOC hunt shouldn't be there to begin with. They just got lucky to get 5 cast wins for the opportunity to hunt in it and paid their entry fee. We had a dog qualified for the TOC hunt last year and the dog got in a slump before TOC and I didn't even go to the event. If I don't feel the dog is at it's highest level of performance before these hunts, I flat out will not go.

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Only cast winners from first night advance to 2nd night. 2nd night 1 hour casts until you get to the desired number of dogs advancing to next round , only cast winners advance.
WIN OR GO HOME !

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On the flip side of this I have been in casts where a dog was down by 300+ with ten minutes left and he turned loose again . The dog winning the cast treed a possum and was scratched I guess sometimes you need to stay in to the end

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This is a good idea. You have Friday and Saturday to double up. If you don’t then you don’t advance. Early winners draw again late, winners late go to the finals. So if you double up Friday you don’t even hunt Saturday. Just like a PKC

I don't agree. I like the thought of Single cast winners of 2 hour hunt advance to Saturday night

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If I'm within 300 points of the lead during any amount of hunt time and I have plus points , I'm staying in it.

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Is this seriously a thread about asking people to quit or lay down so someone else has a better opportunity? If the rules require you to ask another man to “let” you get ahead, is it really a competition? I wouldn’t have responded except that you stated that someone has a whole set of issues if they won’t quit and let you get ahead. That’s the exact opposite of what I imagine most coon hunters are taught from birth. Quitting doesn’t sit right with any good man I know.

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Is this seriously a thread about asking people to quit or lay down so someone else has a better opportunity? If the rules require you to ask another man to “let” you get ahead, is it really a competition? I wouldn’t have responded except that you stated that someone has a whole set of issues if they won’t quit and let you get ahead. That’s the exact opposite of what I imagine most coon hunters are taught from birth. Quitting doesn’t sit right with any good man I know.

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Next year in the Big ten basketball tournament I'd like see teams lay down for the team with the best record so as that team gets a better ranking in NCAA tournament. Maybe even the last few games of the Big ten season, at the very least the poorest teams

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There are some that understand sportsmanship and some never will. I definitely think whoever you are, you should be the first to sign up for the sportsmanship class 101. That is assuming you've ever even been in a nite hunt.

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