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Bud Keller and I became friends and hunted Mike against my Mick dog several times. Kellers Mike was the BEST dog that I'ved hunted with in over 50 years of hunting. My opinion is that he had one thing on his mind and that was to catch and kill as quick as possible.
If that was close or far that didn't matter.

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Bud Keller and I became friends and hunted Mike against my Mick dog several times. Kellers Mike was the BEST dog that I'ved hunted with in over 50 years of hunting. My opinion is that he had one thing on his mind and that was to catch and kill as quick as possible.
If that was close or far that didn't matter. Mike had an exceptional nose and that is what made him deep. JMO Ken Risley

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I can imagine a dog like Mike getting left or getting lost with his prey drive and no tracking equipment

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Question…………….does a deep and alone dog actually hunt through the country it is traveling through or does it just take off in a line wanting to get away from the other dogs?

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Most deep and alone that are natural tend to hunt in a straight line my first dogs like this were hardwood bozo line. Many are man made today some go opposite direction I like one to hunt the woods as they go

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Question…………….does a deep and alone dog actually hunt through the country it is traveling through or does it just take off in a line wanting to get away from the other dogs?

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Rueben you are correct the good ones are quick accurate and can get under game

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A deep and alone dog has to be an independent dog…a top hunting or competition deep and alone independent dog in my opinion based on personal theory…is a dog with excellent hunting instincts…some of it is brain and nose power…he can run a track off the wind currents with his head up or can wind a coon and go straight to it…or he can get a wind scent from a feeder track and find the hot end rather quickly…

There is much difference between this type of dog and one that isn’t a deep and alone dog if both types are independent and both have the same hunting mentality…

We as dog men need to read the dogs in action and tell the story in detail to better understand what a top hunting dog is so we can breed better dogs…

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A deep and alone dog has to be an independent dog…a top hunting or competition deep and alone independent dog in my opinion based on personal theory…is a dog with excellent hunting instincts…some of it is brain and nose power…he can run a track off the wind currents with his head up or can wind a coon and go straight to it…or he can get a wind scent from a feeder track and find the hot end rather quickly…

There is much difference between this type of dog and one that isn’t a deep and alone dog if both types are independent and both have the same hunting mentality…

We as dog men need to read the dogs in action and tell the story in detail to better understand what a top hunting dog is so we can breed better dogs…

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So how does deep and alone get deep and alone? How far does he or she straight line it to get deep and alone before he or she actually starts to hunt? Do they just look for the high scent? What is the average length of the run that the typical deep and alone dog gets? Is there any run to speak of or is it a matter of a half dozen barks on the ground and treed? If you didn’t have GPS Tracking systems would you still hunt deep and alone?

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So how does deep and alone get deep and alone? How far does he or she straight line it to get deep and alone before he or she actually starts to hunt? Do they just look for the high scent? What is the average length of the run that the typical deep and alone dog gets? Is there any run to speak of or is it a matter of a half dozen barks on the ground and treed? If you didn’t have GPS Tracking systems would you still hunt deep and alone?

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There are different variations of this.

(1) There is the mean dog that will clear the other dogs off a tree, and end up alone. If they are far enough away, you can't catch them at it.
(2) There is the straight line hunter that will often pass up a lot of woods and coon just because of their hunting style. The nose on this type can vary.
(3) There are the slower dogs that are independent to a fault. This type will often go right past others that have already struck and treed a coon, and keep on going until they can tree one by themselves. Quite often, they will be hotter nosed dogs without strong tracking ability, but still be good tree dogs.
(4) There is the trash runner that that can drive a trash track away from the pack (sometimes out of hearing), and at some point afterward, run across a coon and get treed. If you can get this type broke off trash, you could have a high level coon dog. Even if you can't break them off trash, they could still be a high level competition hunt winner.
(5) There is the colder nosed, harder hunting dog, that can get struck, move a track out, and get a coon treed. This type of dog can tree a coon when other dogs can't even find a coon track to run. They don't HAVE to get deep. They don't HAVE to be alone. But, when the going gets tough, they've got an extra gear.

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From my perspective #1 through 4 are culls.

I could be quite content with the dog you describe in #5.

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From my perspective #1 through 4 are culls.

I could be quite content with the dog you describe in #5.

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Them culls in 1-4 win… 5 not so much

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There are different variations of this.

(1) There is the mean dog that will clear the other dogs off a tree, and end up alone. If they are far enough away, you can't catch them at it.
(2) There is the straight line hunter that will often pass up a lot of woods and coon just because of their hunting style. The nose on this type can vary.
(3) There are the slower dogs that are independent to a fault. This type will often go right past others that have already struck and treed a coon, and keep on going until they can tree one by themselves. Quite often, they will be hotter nosed dogs without strong tracking ability, but still be good tree dogs.
(4) There is the trash runner that that can drive a trash track away from the pack (sometimes out of hearing), and at some point afterward, run across a coon and get treed. If you can get this type broke off trash, you could have a high level coon dog. Even if you can't break them off trash, they could still be a high level competition hunt winner.
(5) There is the colder nosed, harder hunting dog, that can get struck, move a track out, and get a coon treed. This type of dog can tree a coon when other dogs can't even find a coon track to run. They don't HAVE to get deep. They don't HAVE to be alone. But, when the going gets tough, they've got an extra gear.

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LOL! Yup then those with inferior females think their going to upgrade and go breed to a “winner” and end up producing a bunch more inferior hounds!

It’s always been hard to find an above average hound no matter what they’re used on for game. That’s a fact. Here’s another fact. Take the money out of the game and over time the hounds will get better. Why? Because then it’s only the people who truly love the sport for what it is that will keep breeding hounds to pursue the game their bred for.

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LOL! Yup then those with inferior females think their going to upgrade and go breed to a “winner” and end up producing a bunch more inferior hounds!

It’s always been hard to find an above average hound no matter what they’re used on for game. That’s a fact. Here’s another fact. Take the money out of the game and over time the hounds will get better. Why? Because then it’s only the people who truly love the sport for what it is that will keep breeding hounds to pursue the game their bred for.

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The only reason 5 don’t win as much is because they’re harder to find than 1-4. Lol

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