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I could listen to videos all day long (and have lol) and could tell you which ones are walkers and which ones are red before the camera hits them and be right 90% of the time. Have you never heard the expression "good mouth for a redbone "...

There's guys that are and have been searching non stop.....ask them. I don't mean any of that to sound negative I had red dogs years ago and I've got two now I'm just telling it like I see it. Wade Kuhns in Pennsylvania has loudest red dogs I've heard in a long time.

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Its Because they aren't good enough.

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I Hunted many nights with a big male registered redbone out of Millers Valley
Rocket in the early 1980's. Beautiful hound. Hunted wide and deep. Excellent tree dog with a booming big chop mouth. His downfall was he was dead silent. In those days it was only hide hunters that liked a silent dog. For me personally, I wouldn't keep a silent dog. It's only half the package for what I like in a coonhound. I never owned this dog, just hunted with it several times. A silent coon dog that hunts deep without tracking equipment sucks in a thin coon population. It wasn't very enjoyable.

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Its Because they aren't good enough.

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I like the way you think. I have seen my fair share of culls in every breed I have hunted with. I understand anyone that has a favorite breed and hunts that breed, I do not understand anyone that rags on a breed they do not hunt and refuses to accept that there are outstanding dogs in that breed. I have my favorite breed, but would hunt a real coon dog and proudly I must add of any breed. I am a coon hunter first and foremost, not a representative of ANY BREED. Dave

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If the King would hook us all up with some red dogs we all could turn things around.

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Of all the PR litters I’ve had over the years, one produced 2 perfect Black and Tan pups in the early 90s, with the pumpkin seeds over their eyes and the nice tan trim on their legs. I did not reg them but a couple guys took them as grade hounds. They both turn out to make very good hounds. The one was used on coon only and the other a friend took was used on coon, bobcat, bear and coyote. He used it in his breeding program because he’s not a paper hunter but a performance hunter. He said a lot of the pups were red and what he has today, go back to the one he got from me. I have a pretty good idea where it came from after talking with some of the older breeders back then, and as they say it’s good to have an “ACE” in your hand😉

Now as far as one color over another, I have had them all but a Plott. And that really is because I never had one back then that I could buy close. Would have love to have gotten one of Dales pioneer hounds. I settled on the Reds because of the traits they have. I don’t need a hound to shatter windows, because if it’s a true coonhound it should tree within hearing because I hunt fields and pastures and don’t always have Permission 2 miles away.

Some of the Reds I have enjoyed hunting with was Blaze of Jeff Young who showed some spotted dogs how to tree a coon while they where on a 6 inch stick showing each other how white their teeth where. Roger Cowells Rambo had the mouth and voice some some don’t think a red dog has. T-Top Spook, Rat and a few others in Toms kennel where a pleasure to hunt behind. I really enjoyed hunting with Terry’s Rambln Ralph, very nice tree hound and another nice mouth. Then Robbie Farrs old Zack could get it done and the night we hunted I never seen so many eyes looking down.

I would love to hunt with Hobo and his hounds because I have seen and heard videos of his breeding program and am impressed with their style and voice. But for most of the other spotted ones, not my taste of whiskey!

PS—I-really enjoy reading “some” of the post because if you let people talk/type long enough you will learn that the silent dog is the choice of the comp hunter (“old so and so was dead silent) and also the independent dog is their choice. Now, I have not met a TRUE hounds person, one who enjoys the true music of hunting hounds, really wanting that in their pack—OH I’M SO SORRY FOR USING THE WORD PACK. Forgot the Nite Hunts have taken that word out of coonhunting😢😢😢

So enjoy what you’re feeding because you’re buying the feed and take a kid hunting. Be safe

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I like the way you tell the story my friend. as for getting Black & Tans out of two redbones, My Dad was successful at that back in the 60"s. Bred a crimson colored female to a yellow colored male, (both grade dogs)

Out of that cross came 5-6 redbones and 1 perfectly marked Black & Tan. And she made a good one.

As for those silent trailing comp hounds, You and I both know up through 2019 these type hounds were referred to as Honest strike dogs, and those breeders used that as one of their selling points in the stud pen. Now that Silent is the new normal of comp hunting, they are proud to tell you those very same hounds are now referred to as silent trailers.

Just what ever term is acceptable by the point chasers.

I love drawing silent trailers, so long as the handler doesn't start crying that my dog is a babbler, as that is the only way I can be getting all the 1st strikes. I never have yet figured out how a man handling a silent trailer has the audacity to say my dog is barking where NO TRACK IS EVIDENT, when their measuring stick never opens on the ground EVER.

I like mine to open when it smells coon, and have the meat when it locks on the tree. And a REAL GOOD ONE in my country should be treed with the meat in 10-15 minutes on 80% of all tracks it open on. With a dog like that I can enjoy the performance any/every night I go to the woods.

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I would love to hunt with Hobo and his hounds because I have seen and heard videos of his breeding program and am impressed with their style and voice. But for most of the other spotted ones, not my taste of whiskey!

PS—I-really enjoy reading “some” of the post because if you let people talk/type long enough you will learn that the silent dog is the choice of the comp hunter (“old so and so was dead silent) and also the independent dog is their choice. Now, I have not met a TRUE hounds person, one who enjoys the true music of hunting hounds, really wanting that in their pack—OH I’M SO SORRY FOR USING THE WORD PACK. Forgot the Nite Hunts have taken that word out of coonhunting😢😢😢

So enjoy what you’re feeding because you’re buying the feed and take a kid hunting. Be safe

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Does anyone know anything about Johnny Coffmans hounds out of Tennessee? I was thinking about getting a pup off of him and was just wondering if they produce good pups or not. Has anyone got a pup from him or know anyone who has and how they have turned out? I'm fixing to get into hunting red dogs and Coffmans is the closest to me. Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. I know it all depends on how yo uh hunt and train the dog but s ok me hounds will take to it naturally and others just want. Thanks and God Bless to all my coonhunting brothers out there guess I should say sisters to.

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Does anyone know anything about Johnny Coffmans hounds out of Tennessee? I was thinking about getting a pup off of him and was just wondering if they produce good pups or not. Has anyone got a pup from him or know anyone who has and how they have turned out? I'm fixing to get into hunting red dogs and Coffmans is the closest to me. Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated. I know it all depends on how yo uh hunt and train the dog but s ok me hounds will take to it naturally and others just want. Thanks and God Bless to all my coonhunting brothers out there guess I should say sisters to.

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
Of all the PR litters I’ve had over the years, one produced 2 perfect Black and Tan pups in the early 90s, with the pumpkin seeds over their eyes and the nice tan trim on their legs. I did not reg them but a couple guys took them as grade hounds. They both turn out to make very good hounds. The one was used on coon only and the other a friend took was used on coon, bobcat, bear and coyote. He used it in his breeding program because he’s not a paper hunter but a performance hunter. He said a lot of the pups were red and what he has today, go back to the one he got from me. I have a pretty good idea where it came from after talking with some of the older breeders back then, and as they say it’s good to have an “ACE” in your hand😉

Now as far as one color over another, I have had them all but a Plott. And that really is because I never had one back then that I could buy close. Would have love to have gotten one of Dales pioneer hounds. I settled on the Reds because of the traits they have. I don’t need a hound to shatter windows, because if it’s a true coonhound it should tree within hearing because I hunt fields and pastures and don’t always have Permission 2 miles away.

Some of the Reds I have enjoyed hunting with was Blaze of Jeff Young who showed some spotted dogs how to tree a coon while they where on a 6 inch stick showing each other how white their teeth where. Roger Cowells Rambo had the mouth and voice some some don’t think a red dog has. T-Top Spook, Rat and a few others in Toms kennel where a pleasure to hunt behind. I really enjoyed hunting with Terry’s Rambln Ralph, very nice tree hound and another nice mouth. Then Robbie Farrs old Zack could get it done and the night we hunted I never seen so many eyes looking down.

I would love to hunt with Hobo and his hounds because I have seen and heard videos of his breeding program and am impressed with their style and voice. But for most of the other spotted ones, not my taste of whiskey!

PS—I-really enjoy reading “some” of the post because if you let people talk/type long enough you will learn that the silent dog is the choice of the comp hunter (“old so and so was dead silent) and also the independent dog is their choice. Now, I have not met a TRUE hounds person, one who enjoys the true music of hunting hounds, really wanting that in their pack—OH I’M SO SORRY FOR USING THE WORD PACK. Forgot the Nite Hunts have taken that word out of coonhunting😢😢😢

So enjoy what you’re feeding because you’re buying the feed and take a kid hunting. Be safe

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If you don't think that there is a difference in the breeds, just read the Kash and Ol' Red post.

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"OLD ZACK AND HOFFMIESTER STUFF THROWED A LOT OF COON DOGS, BIG MOUTHS AND HARD HUNTIN HOUND"


And why is that???

BECAUSE when you cross the two you are just line breeding on Mr. Terry Hayes bloodlines. And if you got the right stuff it works. You would maybe get even closer line breeding by breeding Bomber to Zack blood because he is loaded with Terry's hounds. Here's Bomber's 5 generation Hayes hounds:
Ramblin Red Kate 3 times
Ramblin Red Ace 4 times
Ramblin Buck 3 times
Hayes Pokey Dan 1 time
Ramblin Debbie 3 times

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"OLD ZACK AND HOFFMIESTER STUFF THROWED A LOT OF COON DOGS, BIG MOUTHS AND HARD HUNTIN HOUND"


And why is that???

BECAUSE when you cross the two you are just line breeding on Mr. Terry Hayes bloodlines. And if you got the right stuff it works. You would maybe get even closer line breeding by breeding Bomber to Zack blood because he is loaded with Terry's hounds. Here's Bomber's 5 generation Hayes hounds:
Ramblin Red Kate 3 times
Ramblin Red Ace 4 times
Ramblin Buck 3 times
Hayes Pokey Dan 1 time
Ramblin Debbie 3 times

(JMO)

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