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I can’t stand a babbling dog and a grown dog needs to be straight...a trashy 6 month old pup excites me...

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To accept either one ...IS UNACEPTABLE

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Trash running hasn’t been a problem for me...I do not see it as a problem... the first thing I do is show them the game I want and have them bay it and want it...the second thing I do is break my pups from trash running on deer and livestock before I take them to the woods...

I want the woods to be a pleasant experience for the pups...

I let a straight dog strike and then I turn the pup in knowing it will run the right game...

If I see fresh sign I will cast the pup and chances are he will strike the right game...once he knows the woods is a fun place I will shock him off other trash...

If a certain type of trash is a problem I will break them off of it in my back yard...

Years ago I had some sure enough gamey mtn curs that were extremely trashy...it was a nightmare trying to get a handle and breaking them off of unwanted game...these pups turned out to be the best I ever hunted and every generation were basically the same...but I thought out a strategy and perfected it and problem solved with little fine tuning here and there...

A pup that doesn’t trash at all might never hunt at all...

A super trashy pup has the potential to make a super hunting dog...

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Originally posted by Reuben
Trash running hasn’t been a problem for me...I do not see it as a problem... the first thing I do is show them the game I want and have them bay it and want it...the second thing I do is break my pups from trash running on deer and livestock before I take them to the woods...

I want the woods to be a pleasant experience for the pups...

I let a straight dog strike and then I turn the pup in knowing it will run the right game...

If I see fresh sign I will cast the pup and chances are he will strike the right game...once he knows the woods is a fun place I will shock him off other trash...

If a certain type of trash is a problem I will break them off of it in my back yard...

Years ago I had some sure enough gamey mtn curs that were extremely trashy...it was a nightmare trying to get a handle and breaking them off of unwanted game...these pups turned out to be the best I ever hunted and every generation were basically the same...but I thought out a strategy and perfected it and problem solved with little fine tuning here and there...

A pup that doesn’t trash at all might never hunt at all...

A super trashy pup has the potential to make a super hunting dog...

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Originally posted by novicane65
Reuben,

I know what I prefer in a young dog. I don't fool with pups too much. But in young dogs I don't mind 1 that will run junk. I sure don't like 1 barking at the air just to hear itself bark. In a perfect world a pup or young dog only runs the wanted game and never trashes. But I've never seen 1 that I like that's been naturally straight. They don't have the "IT" factor for me. A gamey pup or young dogs need drive and heart. I think a bunch of them get broke off trash too young and it breaks their spirit. We've let the last bunch run whatever their noses find exciting. And we slowly break them off the trash. And so far its been completely different worlds in actions of them at 15-18 months old vs what we had before.

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Eric I think you have a great plan and it sounds like it's working for you. I don't like mine trashing but I agree with ya in that I like them gamey.
Although I have seen some dogs that didn't care for particular off game and still had a strong desire and drive. It's hard to get everything under 1 collar.

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Eric I think you have a great plan and it sounds like it's working for you. I don't like mine trashing but I agree with ya in that I like them gamey.
Although I have seen some dogs that didn't care for particular off game and still had a strong desire and drive. It's hard to get everything under 1 collar.

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I never did believe that line about dogs becoming better, faster track dogs from running offgame. Still to this day I don't buy it. I sure don't see dogs broke of offgame by 2 years old much. Matter of fact I don't see many honest broke old dogs unfortunately.
What I have seen is there either track dogs born in um or not. Not much in between experience teaches them some but for the most part there born with ability and speed or there not.
But i certainly agree that the shocking collar can take the desire out of a dog young or old real fast if used to hard and to often which may be very little usage on some dogs.

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