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Originally posted by K. Singletary
So dog B was never treed in, but after he was handled at the tree the handler of Dog B wants a split tree. LOL When he handled his dog at Dog A's tree he lost his chance to ? if it were two trees or not. IMO

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Was Tarbaby the MOH?

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You ain’t gonna take my job Richard I stir the pot better than you lol. I sit going to go argue with rick he is our breed rep I know what the rule says I can read I just don’t like it lol.

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how small was the limb . sounds like to me both dogs should have been scored minus both ways .

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how small was the limb . sounds like to me both dogs should have been scored minus both ways .

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Mr Thomas, how big does a limb have to be? Tarbaby what does the rulebook say about that? Does it say anything about "small" limb or "big" limb?

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When he handled dog B it was because he was on the same tree. No other way to do it. If afterwards they decided it was 2 trees dog B points would have to been deleted. Because was never treed in to be scored on a separate tree. If he was he had to wait his 5 because another dog was out. B wouldn't get plus no matter what in this situation without being called treed.

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But he also wouldn't get next available and minused for being on a slick tree if trees were ruled as separate. And his strike would not be minused for being handled on a tree with a coon. Surely the MOH did not plus a dog that was never declared treed.

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Shouldn’t even went to
The moh 4 grown men and Richard it says a hole or a limb don’t say what size

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Just for laughs and giggles, these trees were a foot apart and handler wanted it called a split tree, what happens if the dogs go from one tree to the other before they are handled? Do you minus them tree points each time they switch trees? If they are called as being two different trees you would have to minus tree points for leaving one tree to get one the other wouldn't you.

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But he also wouldn't get next available and minused for being on a slick tree if trees were ruled as separate. And his strike would not be minused for being handled on a tree with a coon. Surely the MOH did not plus a dog that was never declared treed.

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Ya how did they score dog A ? I was assuming they plussed when I said minus strike only for dog B.

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The was no tree to be ruled separate. The dog was not treed in. You score the tree that dog A was on. If he was told to handle dog B then he is considered handled with dog A and scored accordingly. In this case minus both ways the same as dog A. Thats how it should of been handled. Instead a judge let it get out of hand. The MOH did as well he should of picked up right away that dog B did not have tree to score because he was never treed.

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That sounds so logical and true from the scenario given. It sure makes you wonder how it could be scored any other way or how/why any MOH would score it any other way. It kinda makes you wonder....

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Originally posted by joey
The was no tree to be ruled separate. The dog was not treed in. You score the tree that dog A was on. If he was told to handle dog B then he is considered handled with dog A and scored accordingly. In this case minus both ways the same as dog A. Thats how it should of been handled. Instead a judge let it get out of hand. The MOH did as well he should of picked up right away that dog B did not have tree to score because he was never treed.

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What tree A was on when they are 1 foot apart would be a judgment call. Either way however A was scored would decide what to do with B.

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i bet a hide hunter would have just rolled em on out and sent the dogs on...

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I use common sense version rules. Y’all use the cheaten version. Even Jim don’t want none of this one lol.



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Originally posted by joey
What tree A was on when they are 1 foot apart would be a judgment call. Either way however A was scored would decide what to do with B.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
.......Y’all use the cheaten version....Tar

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Oh my goodness, I don't even have to add anything to this one.

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I know this probley dont matter but u got to look at it like this theres two dogs on this tree thats a foot apart this dogs r most likley jumping running around treein on this tree how can u even justify that this is two seprate trees no matter the size of the trees some dogs dont even tree standing on a tree some dogs sit on the ground 5 foot from it (i would like to seen comments on that one)but in my opinion dog a should get plused up and dog b should be minused on strike coon is seen if limbs r touching

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Oh my goodness, I don't even have to add anything to this one.

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As the judge you are supposed to look and see if they touch. Everyone has a valid point but no matter what tree is scored as the tree A was on. B can not get plus in this situation. He was never treed.

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There should have been a vote BEFORE the tree was shined as to it being one or two trees.. jmo...

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What you think that ole boy that wanted his dog split on the tree the limb touched the tree with the coon in it would have said if there was a possum up there ? ....................... Maybe boys I just don't see how that limb is big enough for that possum to cross it lol.




I always on trees that are very close together say all together boys or split before we shine then if they don't touch your still ok you can score them split.



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I believe your way is the best way to avoid a problem. The way this post was described the trees were to close to split. IMO. Dave

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