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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Some people like to compete and some people just like to go out And pleasure hunt. I don't understand why pleasure hunters want to belittle the people that like to compete and the competition hunters want to belittle the guys that just wan to pleasure hunt. I like to do both so everyone belittles me.

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Agree Doug. I didn't mean on 1 bad night I was referring to the dogs that can't do it at all if hunted 5 nights straight.. we all know about a off night and bad tracking conditions

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Right now, if you look at the current events schedule, the state of Indiana has 21 scheduled UKC Nite Hunt events for the month of March. It has zero HTX trials scheduled. I guess that makes this whole discussion kinda moot.

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I was judged by a guy who was getting into coonhunting and he asked before hand if his four year old daughter could come along. We said you bet.

He also asked if his other buddy and his 13yr old daughter could come with. You bet...

Treed a double and had a great time. Four new coonhunters got to see that a competition dog can be a hide dog and a little gal found a deer shed along the way. Had a blast.

You guys that are thumping your chests need to chill. That HTX hunt (when done right) will bring more people into the sport of coonhunting than spending 120 minutes with three other guys who can't wait to find a way to make your night suck.

With that said, I had a great draw at the local club last night and saw some nice dog work. One guy was on his first cast. He learned a few things along the way and the cast was good to point out things he did wrong or could have done better.

Bonus points to Jim for using the word, "moot".

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No, you shouldn't require HTX for Nt.Ch. Same way you shouldn't require a hunting dog to have a show title or a show dog to have a hunting title.

Would it make better dogs? Yep. But that isn't it's place and folks should just leave the system alone and play within it's parameters instead of constantly re-inventing the wheel.

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HTX is a certificate, not a a title. A title is earned competing against other dogs. If anybody wants to pay money to get a certificate for saying their dog can do what it was born and bred to do, more power to them. As stated by others on this thread, force feeding a meaningless certificate down others throats proves absolutely nothing.

Anybody who is remotely serious about their hounds will do their homework before breeding to any male or purchasing a pup from any female.

Give it a rest! I’m in Mr. Lambert’s camp! How about requiring a dog to be a Nt Ch before it is eligible to earn a HTX certificate?

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If you all remember the reason UKC started the HTX program was for those that didnt enter dogs in regular hunts. They wanted an avenue for those folks to participate but in a less competitive nature. There is nothing wrong with that and I hope its successful in the future.

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I am just asking here so please no one get their tail in a twist I am not batting for either side. Can’t a dog earn a nite ch title without anyone seeing a coon but it is required for the htx? If I were buying a dog if he had both it would give me a good indicator of the dogs abolity. Of course anything can be gotten through cheating.

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How could you possibly win a nt ch title without seeing a coon?

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I can go to a hunt nearby and there might be one registered dog and might not either . There also might be one Nitech dog and might not either . Either way you will not a full cast of either . HTX title can be put on a dog by a buddy system too . I see where a lot of guys bragging on their so and so that won't hunt as well cause he's a Grnite.

All I got to say mine won't neither title cause I've done that . Main reason is I've got a hound of a lifetime now and titles mean nothing to me cause I don't mind ruined .

This hound I've showed several times that he will be 600yds in a minute. Big bawl mouth too . Split with the meat again last weak from guys that saw him go.

I'm not in it for any more titles . But I will take you hunting .

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I have hunted with several dogs with man made titles by the handler, off buckets,and others by always going to a club with low entries imo the measure of a coonhound is one that consistently tree coons in any condition in any state not in your backyard off feeders

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I think that a dog should have to be a Nt Ch before you can show them in a bench show. Now how about that?

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
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Oh my goodness, that is pretty scary.

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I have a few questions. Why does people on here care if someone has a dog that made night champion in a small club, maybe only had to beat less then 10 dogs in any hunt? What does it matter to you? I don't see where it would matter to someone that made NT. CH. by winning over 50 dogs in every hunt. Did it hurt the repletion of your dog? I see that You should have a HTX degree before your dog can be a NT. CH. but the same people will complain that there are some GR. NT. CH. that hunted by themselves because there were no other NT CH at the hunt and got a cheap win. Have many of you have worked to put on a HTX? How many on here HELP their club (if you even belong to one) to put on hunts and other things to keep a club running? All the hunts are getting smaller (less hunters) if you eliminate the dogs that make nt ch in 10 dog or less hunts the clubs will disappear. Maybe there should be only one club in each state, just think, no more cheap nite champs. Ridiculous right? Back kin the day these hunts used to be FUN. What happened? JMO Think about it.

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Mr Hennessey, are those rhetorical questions that you already know the answer to or would you like to see them actually answered?

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Originally posted by Bob Hennessey
I have a few questions. Why does people on here care if someone has a dog that made night champion in a small club, maybe only had to beat less then 10 dogs in any hunt? What does it matter to you? I don't see where it would matter to someone that made NT. CH. by winning over 50 dogs in every hunt. Did it hurt the repletion of your dog? I see that You should have a HTX degree before your dog can be a NT. CH. but the same people will complain that there are some GR. NT. CH. that hunted by themselves because there were no other NT CH at the hunt and got a cheap win. Have many of you have worked to put on a HTX? How many on here HELP their club (if you even belong to one) to put on hunts and other things to keep a club running? All the hunts are getting smaller (less hunters) if you eliminate the dogs that make nt ch in 10 dog or less hunts the clubs will disappear. Maybe there should be only one club in each state, just think, no more cheap nite champs. Ridiculous right? Back kin the day these hunts used to be FUN. What happened? JMO Think about it.

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Originally posted by Bob Hennessey
I have a few questions. Why does people on here care if someone has a dog that made night champion in a small club, maybe only had to beat less then 10 dogs in any hunt? What does it matter to you? I don't see where it would matter to someone that made NT. CH. by winning over 50 dogs in every hunt. Did it hurt the repletion of your dog? I see that You should have a HTX degree before your dog can be a NT. CH. but the same people will complain that there are some GR. NT. CH. that hunted by themselves because there were no other NT CH at the hunt and got a cheap win. Have many of you have worked to put on a HTX? How many on here HELP their club (if you even belong to one) to put on hunts and other things to keep a club running? All the hunts are getting smaller (less hunters) if you eliminate the dogs that make nt ch in 10 dog or less hunts the clubs will disappear. Maybe there should be only one club in each state, just think, no more cheap nite champs. Ridiculous right? Back kin the day these hunts used to be FUN. What happened? JMO Think about it.

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Originally posted by Mtn Hunter
Why would it not be a good idea that a dog had to pass the requirements of an HTX as well as the Nite Hunt Requirements to obtain the Nite Ch degree, Seems this would put to bed the old "Well he cant tree a coon by himself "argument plus increase participation at the clubs

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Originally posted by RJ Burks
I actually think it's a good ideal, if your dog will go hunting, trail and tree a coon stay for five minutes or every how long it takes to get there and not make enough minus to fail in one hour, then what y'all worried about ?

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After reading all of the comments on this subject if a nite ch needs an htx degree makes me really question about the ukc program. Where I live in Western NC it's really hard tree a coon with just one dog in an hour. I've hunted in both the htx hunts and the ukc hunts and I'm telling ya now I've seen it where a nite champion and a grand nite champion couldn't tree a coon by itself even with a feeder being there. Personally I believe for a dog Tobe come nite champion they need a htx degree. Also I want to point out is before the ukc world hunt they make the dogs hunt by their self so they can prove they can tree a coon. So why not make it mandatory to have the htx degree. I know people are going to disagree with anything and everything but that's human nature.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Two things changed to make it the way it is now ukc changed the format back in the 80's to bennifit themselves you went from hunting against 60 dogs to hunting against 6 and hides became worthless.

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You know another benefit to the program is that it eases novices into the competition format with rules like staying treed for five and not treeing off game and such without throwing them directly into the cutthroat world of competition hunting. I would love to see participation increase at all levels of the sport or we are going to lose it.

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Yes, and comments like "cutthroat world of competition" don't help things one bit. And I do not mean to single you out Mtn Hunter for that comment because someone makes that type of reference to the nite hunts every stinkin week. It isn't cutthroat for 90% of the weekends. It can't be because there are way too many everyday guys that just flat love the nite hunts. And they sure aren't loving it because they get their throats cut every weekend.
Some coonhunters want to test their dog but they are simply not competitive and that is 100% alright. I believe those guys were the reasoning behind the hunt test. I've always wanted to try one myself but I live in Indiana and if you look at the Hunt Test schedule, you'll understand why I never have.

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i have entered some htx hunts they are fun and a great way to hunt a young dog that may not be ready for competition hunts yet. make friends. hunt ground that you would not hunt a whole cast in. yes sir it can be hard to get a pass. there is more to it than just treeing a coon.

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Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
What change in format did UKC make in the 80's to benefit itself?

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