msinc
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Re: ole hoss
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Originally posted by pamjohnson
I am sure I have heard your reasoning before but would like to hear the reason again. and I would like to know if how you get your dog back in to you? do you have any concern about roads or posted ground? thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by shadinc
Good question Pam. They told us how NOT to train but, not how to train.
Here is my reasoning, and don't get me wrong...if you want to use the tone to recall your dog you are the only one that has to like doing it that way. For me, I find it a lot easier to get a dog to come to me when I call him by either voice or a whistle. I have never had a problem accomplishing this with a dog. It takes some time, a few weeks and a check cord, but I have always been able to pretty easily get my dogs to come to my voice. I can start working on this when they are little puppies, way before I am ever trying to get them to hunt out and tree coons.
By comparison, I have had much more trouble, taken way longer and found it a lot harder to break a dog from running certain "off" game. I don't want to just hurt my dogs until they decide it's best if they stop...that usually has bad side effects that some dogs may not ever get over. You don't know which ones until after you have possibly damaged one. So why not use the tone to "warn" the dog??? You will still have to shock him or her, but not anywhere near as much. The dog doesn't loose it's mind and freak out and forget what you were even trying to do in the first place.
I have found that it takes a lot more times of stopping a dog from running off game with a collar than most people realize. Some people believe that they hit the dog two or three times and it is broke. Those are the same guys that get on here and wonder why their dog runs coons for 2 or 3 miles and then slick tree!!
Maybe some dogs will get it that fast, but not very many. In my experience it takes 30-40 times of stopping a dog to get them to the point where they really understand you don't want them doing that and NEVER do it again.
So, the dog runs a deer and you tone it, it stops but goes back for more...you tone it again and it slows down but continues. This time a mild shock...he stops for a few minutes and finally tries one more time. This time another tone stops him and he gives up. You just completed 4 "stops" on one deer in one session. I am lucky enough to live on a farm with plenty of woods in my back yard. I have trails and run my dogs every day. Many folks trying to break a dog don't have this set up and are lucky to get out once a week if that.
Breaking dogs from running off game is the biggest challenge and the hardest to complete. If I can utilize a collar to get 4 stops on a dog I am breaking in one session to me that is a whole lot better use of time and technology than simply getting the dog to come to me by being lazy and just pushing a button. An Alpha costs $700.00 and is the best tool for breaking a dog from running off game. Calling a dog with my voice or a whistle is simple and doesn't cost....which one makes the most sense to use to do the most difficult job a trainer has to do??????
I think Mr. Fryar said something like "doing your yard work makes things easier in the field".....I couldn't agree more when it comes to calling in a dog and I don't need to spend $700.00 to get that job done.
Let me say one more thing...if I cant get my dog to stop running deer of fox do you think I really care much if he is running one towards a road????? Bottom line, think about how rare a dog is that is tone broke to come to you....not very. Now think about how rare a dog is that DOES NOT RUN OFF GAME!!!!! Extremely very rare.
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