Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Morrison TN
Posts: 4927
quote:Originally posted by rob thompson The more i think about this the stupider it gets!!!! So a dog comes in and barks at a coon after judge is at tree and it gets minused! But if that same dog comes in on a possum no punishment!!!!! Holy freaking cow, is there not something wrong here?
Thats the way it is.
When the rules were written we had pack dogs. If a dog didn't get to a coon tree before the 5 that was considered a fault.
BUT if the dog came in after the judge arrived then the dog was just coming to check out the commotion/lights shining in trees so it wouldn't be minused for coming in late UNLESS a coon is seen and the dogs treeing awarded plus points.
Now I will say when this interpretation was made I didn't agree with it because it said running molesting yada yada UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE JUDGE.
But it doesn't matter what I do or don't agree with, it matters that it is the official interpretation of UKC that even NtCh gets a pass for coming in after the judge arrives on off game.
Unless it is changed that will be the way I will score it when hunting UKC. Their registry, I agree to play in it and use their rules whether I like a particular rule or not.
Registered: Oct 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 2633
quote:Originally posted by rob thompson The more i think about this the stupider it gets!!!! So a dog comes in and barks at a coon after judge is at tree and it gets minused! But if that same dog comes in on a possum no punishment!!!!! Holy freaking cow, is there not something wrong here?
I gotta agree...I know the rule is clear {exception 5b}, but this is about 50 shades of stupid.....if they would have just walked out the last 20 minutes of the hunt with the dogs on leashes, like most others do they wouldn't have had this problem!!!!
Registered: Nov 2011
Location: north ala.
Posts: 937
By the time a dog makes nt.ch. he should have been hunted and trained enough off game shouldn't even cross his mind. I guess that's part of the reasons why there is way more nt.ch. than there should be! Dogs that won't hunt,or tree by themselves, babbling idiots,ill, off game , but if we find a loophole it's ok!!! Not at my house!
Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790
quote:Originally posted by Allen / UKC Propose a rule change.
Only way I would do that if I was on the voting committee were I could look across the table and give them the eye of the tiger. Or as in Oklahoma we call it the stink eye lol !
quote:Originally posted by yadkintar Only way I would do that if I was on the voting committee were I could look across the table and give them the eye of the tiger. Or as in Oklahoma we call it the stink eye lol !
Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790
If that sucker is so slow it's gets there after the other have been treed there a while and even so slow that it gets there after I do it's gonna get more than a minus from me !!! Either get there quick or don't be there at all !!
Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22586
Are they slow or just don't have enough nerve to stay with the dog treed until their handler gets there to protect them?
Why would anyone worry about someone else's dog that came in late and didn't get any tree points? Most of the time they get mad at their dog for treeing slick and getting minused. So they look for a reason to minus the other dogs that wouldn't tree on their dogs slick tree. Maybe we should worry more about our dog and less about everyone else's dog
Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790
Richard the post was started about a dog coming in late to a tree with a possum in it ! If you are going to minus a dog for coming in late to a coon what in the crap you gonna do reach down and pet your dog and say it's o Tay fee fee it's only a possum you will be o Tay if that don't beat the hen a pecken lol !!
Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22586
What it started as and where it went are 2 different things.
If someone wants to pet "their" little Fey Fey for coming in late then that is their business and doesn't bother me at all. I am too worried about what my dog is doing.
Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Marietta
Posts: 10790
So what your saying is (in theory I love theories ! ) if you have been winning the cast all night and ole fee fee has just been hitch hiking along getting points the last tree of the night no time left it's a possum and ole fee fee comes strolling in you are minused or scratched ole fee fee is winner winner chicken dinner now tell me your honest emotions Richard are you going to be able to congradualate and mean it lol !!
Registered: Aug 2004
Location: Chattanooga, Tn
Posts: 22586
In that situation, I would be too mad at my own dog and busy correcting him to worry about Fey Fey. I would congratulate Fey Fey's handler on winning later. Lil Fey deserved to win because I didn't do my job and break my dog from treeing possums. That is my fault, not Fey Fey's. I sure wouldn't want to change a rule that has been around since the beginning of comp hunting just because "I" was too lazy or unable to break my dog from treeing off game.
Last edited by Richard Lambert on 05-11-2017 at 03:31 PM
Registered: Sep 2010
Location: New Paris, Indiana
Posts: 7076
Any dog handled at a closed tree should recieve minus strike points regardless of anything else. Any dog handled at an offgame tree, under NtCh rules, should be scratched. Simple as that.
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Registered: May 2012
Location: Asheville, North Carolina
Posts: 629
Jim, if you want to minus the dog that comes into the tree after the tree is closed and the judge is there, are you going to plus the points if a coon is seen for that same dog? You can't have it both ways, if you're going to minus then you need to plus the points.
05-10-2017 03:57 AM
