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Saying one KC cheats more than another KC is about as dumb as trying to push a rope. Everyone is honest.

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Not an auto timeout to take a panel back to the woods and be ruled against. I know for fact because I've done it. i called Rdc and explained the situation and he said you'll be ok and never heard anymore about it.

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I don't know about anybody else but this constant twisting things and wanting one kc to be like anouther makes me not even want to hunt anymore goes against everything I have ever believed in maybe all these years of trying to do it the right way didn't mean squat jmo just sickens me out.

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I don't know about anybody else but this constant twisting things and wanting one kc to be like anouther makes me not even want to hunt anymore goes against everything I have ever believed in maybe all these years of trying to do it the right way didn't mean squat jmo just sickens me out.

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Well tar a good rule is a good rule in any kc, just like the no leash lock and the countdown. People will hunt what they enjoy most, but the future of the sport should have some say in it.

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Joey I have set many of night in clubhouses all over the country for thousands of hours while everybody else got to hunt spent ain't no telling how many more judging ntch cast back when we had to and if there was going to be a bad one I always got it. I remember when ukc was all we had I know it's not going to be the same I admit we need a few changes ( no leash lock ) but every day sombody wants ukc to change to the $$$ format hell they would be tickled if you didn't have to see a coon to win no I don't like change they say we need to appeal more to the younger hunters when I see them pushing a lawn mower , or broom ,or cooking or cleaning up after the hunt then we will think about changing some things there is a lot of good youngsters out there fine young people but there are a number of little pain in the butts out there too that laugh about cheating sombody I bet the ukc staff gets tired of hearing they ain't never doing enough I get tired of hearing it to one thing about it you ask Allen or Todd if I got somthing to say I call them and tell them man to man I don't splash it all over this forum unless I am joking around I try and help anybody but somtimes y'all are a little pushy with the things you want changed.

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Your not the lone ranger working at the club, I've done it and continue to do it for 30 years sense I was a kid no breaks no pauses. 30 solid years. The forum is to get news, chat with others and express opinions. I will give my opinion about a topic a couple of times and then I'm done when everyone goes on these rants that have nothing to do with the subject. You are not giving any logical reason not to have one, just you dont trust them and you dont want to be like the other KC. I'll bet if this wasn't done by any other KC you would not have a problem with it. No business ever survives without changing and UKC is no different.

I like UKC better than any other KC, I have more fun at them than any of the others but our sport is fractured. Its being split in 2 sections and they are taking business away from each other. More hunts means less turn out, the older hunters lean more toward the UKC hunts. The younger ones lean the other way. Guess what happens when more and more of the older ones are gone? UKC will have to adopt the things that attract them, sticking to the same ol same ol is the best way for them to loose the biggest part of the hunters.

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Joey have never needed a panel but once and that time it was rigged simple as that they know it and I know it but I am over it my money is just as good as anybodys but I wasent a buddy I wasent one of the click and my dogs will never be redgistered with their kc again I might have got beaten out later in that world hunt that would have been ok. Now at the small hunts around here we struggle to get guides let alone a panel big hunts you think your going to have trouble send a couple of special judges we have always been able to do that ukc hunts are struggling in the south why ? Because the dollar hunts are more attractive to the younger hunters because more chances to win when ukc did their cooperate downsizing thing back in the eighties it killed us why? Because they took away the one thing that's made the $$$ kcs rich what's that ? You could place without winning your cast the very same thing as you getting paid when you don't see a coon the more winners somehow wink, wink the more everybody is happy , happy, happy and they participate. I guess I just feel being a part of ukc for as many years as I have I feel a sense of ownership and I take it personal more than the others I really don't have much respect for the way the $$$ kcs coddle a lot of their major players and they do went up there for years went up their with ther former world champion to try again their panel kept me from getting a fair shake I want to talk about possums or somthing now lol

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I don't know why more people don't loose their temper and deal with the cheaters like a trash running dog. I bet they think twice about cheating next time. I cannot trust myself around cheaters so that is why I seldom enter competition. When the slick stuff starts I want to take off my leash and go to town. So I decided best to pleasure hunt. The last one I encountered with a straight up buddy system judge and guide was a "sire hunt" with a 250 entry fee. I wrestled with myself all the way to the truck and fortunately I decided to walk away. Haven't been to a night hunt since.

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The panel option would be a pain getting people together to do it, but it would be a great rule to eliminate a lot of the buddy system and dishonesty out there. More and more I see people vote how it best serves their dog or a buddy. If your dog is independent and alone a lot, you can be in big trouble with the wrong bunch. Having the option to come get a panel to show them an obvious slick tree, coon, nest, hole, whatever and making it where the people who were flat out dishonest in their vote get barred for awhile, would make people vote a lot more honest.

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The panel option would be a pain getting people together to do it, but it would be a great rule to eliminate a lot of the buddy system and dishonesty out there. More and more I see people vote how it best serves their dog or a buddy. If your dog is independent and alone a lot, you can be in big trouble with the wrong bunch. Having the option to come get a panel to show them an obvious slick tree, coon, nest, hole, whatever and making it where the people who were flat out dishonest in their vote get barred for awhile, would make people vote a lot more honest.

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It wont matter i dont even competition hunt and ive been around enough people to know they will lie if it comes down to them winning no matter what one of them on that panel would volunteer and would at some point know somebody. the way to have it would be like jerry clower with the monkey that coon hunts if you dont know it look it up on youtube you wouldnt have to worry about going to a lie or a slick no more

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Ytr,
You're twisting things also saying someone gets barred over a panel decision. You can't call the pot black and expect a white kettle.

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You might should call those other 2 kcs and see what happens if you take a panel out and your found guilty I ain't no dummy y'all amaze me somtimes!!

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Peoples mentality in the world has changed. Most people have no morals and only care for themselves. Why change the rules to fit them instead learn the rules, volunteer to judge and get rid of them. As a judge if you think they are cheating to gain undeserved points scratch them. There are ways to get rid of these people in hunts if people are willing to stand up and do it. How many times you hear people talk about this guy wants to argue about everything. Get rid of him and then there wont be any arguments. I also hunt different KC's however I still do not understand the philosophy of having coon dogs that can win without treeing coons. However if that is the game played I will play it.

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I love coon hunting and I love the hunts at the local level but beyond there, you can have them. Why? Because you can't beat a crook at his own game. The guy you thought was your friend will do anything he can for a point. I do it for fun, he must have found a way to make money at it because he goes at it like a job. This what I've learned in my 70 years. Just my two cents worth.

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Guys the panel rule is mainly there to scare people into doing the right thing. I have also seen that work. I know the other KC's have went back an forth on the results and what happens if the panel rules a certain way. It should be if a panel goes to the woods and they see 3 guys tried to snooker another guy-- the are on the sidelines for a certain period of time. In the other KC's, that means no hunting and money out of their pocket. In UKC what would that mean. If your not going to put any bite in the results of a panel going to the woods, then it is useless.
Since most of my hunting time is spent at the clubhouse and I have been to several around the county when a call comes in for a panel to go to the woods. Not the most efficient machine I have seen work. This is from mainly satellite clubs and most don't want to see it happen. Let two panels be needed and it is an all night affair.

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Yadkin I told you what happens I've done it. It's not an automatic barring.

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What's wrong is we just don't talk enough about possums anymore lol. Well I won't have to worry about a panel my panel days are over lol !!

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That is right Mr Conkey. In theory panels going back to a tree are a great idea. But in practice, they sure don't work very well. PKC has found that out and changed how they operate. Now if a panel goes back out to score a tree someone is going to get barred, either the person who asked for the panel to go back out or the other handlers.
I think that some are confusing a panel that is formed to hear a question and a panel that is formed to go back out to score a tree.
In UKC you can now use the hunt director format and a panel is formed to hear all questions. So they are changing.
Maybe you should be able to "sign in the grey" in a UKC hunt. Can you just imagine how busy UKC would be trying to investigate all of the scorecards of the people that get "cheated"? But the message board would get a lot more boring.

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Tell you how mine worked out the owner of the kc got on the panel his buddy ( the click ) on my cast was the one with the question in case some that haven't played the game much a lot of the big boys if they are not winning a cast will put a question on the card right at the end for a hell mary attempt to get you on a technicality the owner said we go back out you understand this might not work out well for you and I looked at his buddy and he had a big old cheesy grin I ain't stupid I know how that was going down but the sad thing is they don't care it's about $$$$ they can preach that good ole boy fair play stuff all they want you get up at the higher levels that good ole boy stuff goes out the window I will stick with ukc.


Ps : when I get all the scorecards in I am ready to go to the house I ain't wanting to go back out and walk a mile to look at no tree.

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When I get to the point that I take this coon hunting so serious that I want a panel to go back out and review a tree, I hope that I've got good enough friends to calm me down and make me realize how silly I am.

Ive been cheated more times that I care to talk about, but theres always next weekend.

In reality this coon hunting stuff isn't what matters in our lives. I take my coon hunting serious....but not to the point that i'm gonna take someone else's time away from them to help me score a tree for a dog.

It took me several years to figure this out, but I realized the only things that matter in life are God, family, and how we treat others. When I figured that out, I started having a lot more fun coon hunting.

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When I get to the point that I take this coon hunting so serious that I want a panel to go back out and review a tree, I hope that I've got good enough friends to calm me down and make me realize how silly I am.

Ive been cheated more times that I care to talk about, but theres always next weekend.

In reality this coon hunting stuff isn't what matters in our lives. I take my coon hunting serious....but not to the point that i'm gonna take someone else's time away from them to help me score a tree for a dog.

It took me several years to figure this out, but I realized the only things that matter in life are God, family, and how we treat others. When I figured that out, I started having a lot more fun coon hunting.

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UKC PREFORMANCE SIRE Nt ch pkc ch BAM BAM The only one out of WORLD CH BIG D X GRNT SKIPPERS UMFORGIVEN SAIGE she has 21 pups 4nt ch 5 grnt ch thats 42.85%
He is a coon dog!
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The problem is that the rules in the other KCs are straight forward and there is actually someone who works at these KCs who can provide you with a rule and a direct answer for most situations. That is why you do not see these silly scenarios and 94 replies of people arguing over the rules. In UKC no one truly knows what the rules really mean and only interpret them to their advantage using all of the gray area. Furthermore, no one at UKC truly knows how to interpret their own rules. [/B]

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