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No I don't expect first strike with good dogs, but three barks and then nothin for 1000 yrds. get real dog babbled.

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Ok Jim I will take my chewing out. Buuuuut if that dog struck after the minute if that sucker got a 1000 yrds that quick I am guessing he was way out of sight when he struck all you can do is put the 8 on him and wait but I would like to know what the other dogs were doing.

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Ok Jim I will take my chewing out. Buuuuut if that dog struck after the minute if that sucker got a 1000 yrds that quick I am guessing he was way out of sight when he struck all you can do is put the 8 on him and wait but I would like to know what the other dogs were doing.

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Are you all missing the point here? If he can't hear the dog, how does he know where it is? He can't use telemetry. Did he use telepathy? He stays where he is as if he had no idea where his dog is.

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I get what he is asking but he wouldn't have to even think about following that dog if it was minused like it should have been.

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When the dog struck it sounded like a legitimate strike, not a bark trying to keep up, at least to me. They had filtered out away from us, wasnt like minute was up and bam had a strike.To be honest it was a chore running the 8, no way in the world I would have gotten dog minuses for babbling, I would have been out voted for sure .

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Whoever said you can't minus a dog for babbling after the minute is dead wrong.

The dog can be minused AT ANY TIME the judge feels the dog is babbling. One minute, ten minutes, thirty minutes doesn't matter. If the judge thinks it's babbling then it gets minused and if the cast disagrees someone can question it and ask for a vote.

As for walking a direction, UKC has always maintained that it is his 8 he can walk the direction he thinks the dog is in, or up on a ridge or whatever. Jim is right though you have to act like the Garmin isn't there so you would walk the direction the dog was last heard in or whatever but you can't just start watching Garmins.

That is not to get confused by the idiots vs cheaters who will walk down in a holler and put the 8 on dogs, or walk out of hearing of a dog and put the 8 on them, that is not allowed and you have to go back to where you last heard them or where you should hear them to start the 8, can't walk down in a holler and then start the 8 on them just to minus somebody.

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Garmin has no bearing on it. If you start the eight on a man's dog and he wants to walk in the direction that it was last heard then you walk.
How did this get to be a babbling argument? Man asked if a handler requested to walk after the 8 was applied did you have to do It. Simple answer is yes.

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It's his 8 he can walk where ever he wants just like pre-Garmin. And as far as the babbling rule you just hope you have an honest judges whether it's 1min into the hunt or an hour, if he barks 3 x after 30min into the hunt and the next time you estimate you hear it and dogs a 1000 yards farther was he babbling and should be minused?
If I was carrying the card and it was Rob Thompson's dog I probably would minus him for babbling that way he has some minus cause he will probably end up under a coon.

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It's his 8 he can walk where ever he wants just like pre-Garmin. And as far as the babbling rule you just hope you have an honest judges whether it's 1min into the hunt or an hour, if he barks 3 x after 30min into the hunt and the next time you estimate you hear it and dogs a 1000 yards farther was he babbling and should be minused?
If I was carrying the card and it was Rob Thompson's dog I probably would minus him for babbling that way he has some minus cause he will probably end up under a coon.

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Typical of this site. rule question and everyone provides and opinion not facts. First he was forced to strike on or before the 3rd bark, second how do you know where the dog originally struck. was he 500 opened at 600 opened at 650 and shut up before going to 1000. you all are interpreting he struck then moved 1000 yards. the handler never said that. he said the dog is 1000 now. My dog will hit at 3 or 4 and be 8 or 9 before you blink moving a track. How about you let the coondog win and quit trying to break it off in everyone to assist your dog to gwt a win. that is the problem now a shortage on coon dogs but a mass of slick handlers. At no point did he say the dog moved 1000 from where he struck.

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Typical of this site. rule question and everyone provides and opinion not facts. First he was forced to strike on or before the 3rd bark, second how do you know where the dog originally struck. was he 500 opened at 600 opened at 650 and shut up before going to 1000. you all are interpreting he struck then moved 1000 yards. the handler never said that. he said the dog is 1000 now. My dog will hit at 3 or 4 and be 8 or 9 before you blink moving a track. How about you let the coondog win and quit trying to break it off in everyone to assist your dog to gwt a win. that is the problem now a shortage on coon dogs but a mass of slick handlers. At no point did he say the dog moved 1000 from where he struck.

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I TOTALLY don't understand the telemetry rule.

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Sorry bud but what I stated was 100% fact I didn't say anything about what should or shouldn't have been done. Just that a dog can be minused for babbling any time a judge determines it was babbling. You have to be there to judge it, never said any different.

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Who said I was talking about what you stated. I am talking about everyone just flat out saying the dog should have been minused. People come to this site with a rule question and leave more confused then when they started because so few truly know the rules. Even the UKC reps give an opinion not facts.

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My take on this after reading this is once 8 is started check Garmin but keep mouth shut about looking at Garmin and just demand to walk a certain direction towards dog. Kinda like the don't ask don't tell policy the military used to have. Personally I have always found it hard to run time on a dog while walking. If it's mine I don't want to be walking or listen to any gum flapping either.

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Nail on the head.

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Who said I was talking about what you stated. I am talking about everyone just flat out saying the dog should have been minused. People come to this site with a rule question and leave more confused then when they started because so few truly know the rules.

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I went back and reread the original post. He stated that the dog opened three times and they went to the top of the ridge to see if they could hear the dog. (Sounds like the dog crossed the ridge, did it cross another ridge before the cast got to the first ridge top?) They could not hear the dog from the ridge top and the 8 minutes was started. This is where the guide is important. Ask what is between you and the dog. If the dog has crossed another ridge you may need to go to that ridge top to hear the dog. Maybe the dog is out of pocket and you just had a bad brake.

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Dog went down the hollow, it was a road that ran parallel to two different hollows, moved up first so we could hear dogs, and didn't start 8 until we were at highest point. My issue is looking at Garmin and saying my dog is that way at 1000 yards and wolking that way while running the 8.

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no you do not advance on the dog. your not allowed to walk towards a dog based on what the gps says. before we carried the gps units how would you have known the dog was 1000 yds without hearing it bark? you wouldn't! stay put let the 8 run.

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Dean, Im taking it that your question is whether the judge should instruct the cast to tighten up on a dog because the Garmin shows it out of hearing. On that, UKC has been very clear time and again. The Garmin has absolutely no bearing on the hunt. You cannot walk to a dog out of hearing because the Garmin says he is that direction.
I would handle it the way we did pre-Garmin, if no other dog was struck, we tighten up the direction the judge believes the dogs went. If other dogs are struck and can be heard, you make every attempt to keep THOSE dogs within hearing. The Garmin cannot effect the hunt.

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Rule 3 plainly states you can walk to a dog out of hearing if the cast agrees. a single handler just can not demad to


3. At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been
heard opening. The judge, or majority of the cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk
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there is a book they can get to help with that.

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