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I have let a youth in the club handle my dogs. The rules are if he/she barks say "strike" if he/she "barks fast" say "tree" then find the coon. Be honest. They get experience, my dogs get hunted and got a pass, and I had coffee and doughnuts with another old hunter in the truck. How can you lose?

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I have been to one htx there were 4 dogs I drew 4 to be hunted we hunted the first three dogs a hour and spent another hour or so catching them and 20 min in between each one moving it was so late by that time I did not even hunt the first 2 dogs passed and had treed a coon in 30 min of time used so if they could have passed at that point it would not have been 3 am for my turn

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Here is a thought, a lot of hunters attend a big event each year and some get to the area a few days early to pleasure hunt. I've often wondered why some of the clubs in the area didn't try to hold a HTX hunt a few days before these larger events. that would give a guy from several hours away to maybe check out some dog they are interested in, or show their own young hound off. as far as guides a guide could take several dogs out at once and drop them with a judge from out of the area to hunt an hour and inspect the dog, then gather up the cast and do it again with other hunters/dogs and judges, or call it a night.
I'm suggesting breed days, and the larger hunts, not every one wants to run the slam money hunts. and there always are groups of hunters coming a few days early.

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At one club I belong to we are planning on having HTX evaluations every meeting night. Last year we had them on their own nights and it was a little bit of a hassle because there were nights we'd all show up and there'd only be two dogs to evaluate. I think holding them on meeting nights is going to be allot better because we're all already going to be there. A few guys just need to step forward and volunteer to judge that night.

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At one club I belong to we are planning on having HTX evaluations every meeting night. Last year we had them on their own nights and it was a little bit of a hassle because there were nights we'd all show up and there'd only be two dogs to evaluate. I think holding them on meeting nights is going to be allot better because we're all already going to be there. A few guys just need to step forward and volunteer to judge that night.

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HTX is not a Title, it is a Certificate. A Certificate that says your dog can do what is was born & bred to do by itself.

Competition is required in order to gain a Title.

Absolutely nothing wrong with HTX for those that are interested. For some folks the Certificate holds meaning, for others (like myself) it holds very little to no meaning.

To each their own, & more power to them! I wish the Clubs hosting & the Folks participating at these events nothing but the best!

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It's been said over and over in different ways. UKC is NOT the problem. The problem is that club members need to step the heck up and contribute to their clubs. For instance at my club we have started designating 2 non hunting inspectors (members) to assist with any other hunting inspectors that there may be that night and then we rotate 2 new members at the next HTX hunt to be non hunting inspectors. We coordinate this at our monthly meeting. Are people really so selfish and for themselves nowadays that they can't take one night away and help others and there club? If so, there lies a much greater problem here.

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The problem is that all us hunters act like it's ukc's fault that participation is down. Maybe as hunters and members we should spend as much time trying get people involved as we do whining to ukc about how they need to change all there rules to better fit our clubs. As members it's our job to make the clubs, the hunts and the organizations as enjoyable experience for the people who are thinking about joining or participating in the events (whether it be htx or nite hunts). I'd sure love to see the day we as hunters stop blaming everybody else and realize that our bad attitudes is ruining our sporta d the UKC events far more than anything else.

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This is the type of brainstorming I was looking for, guys! I come from a small club with low membership participation. I know it's hard, but instead of enabling that type of behavior amongst clubs, I'd like to see ideas that enhance the participation of members. Running a club and holding events has lost a little bit of it's meaning, I think. Instead of holding hunts for the surrounding coonhunters, hunts are being held for the members. How can we revive a sport when it has become so selfish? A club cannot be successful with only two members willing to run it. Nor can a club be successful if those who hunt out of that club don't give back a little. I like Jason's idea on designating two club members every meeting. I also Like Juke's thought on working to get others involved! I understand that the time is an issue when you receive a higher entry. That is something I'd like to look into, but also something I'd still like to see everyone think about and see what they come up with as far as working around it. Teamwork is not only helpful amongst the club, but it also helps a lot to practice teamwork between the clubs and UKC

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The problem is that all us hunters act like it's ukc's fault that participation is down. Maybe as hunters and members we should spend as much time trying get people involved as we do whining to ukc about how they need to change all there rules to better fit our clubs. As members it's our job to make the clubs, the hunts and the organizations as enjoyable experience for the people who are thinking about joining or participating in the events (whether it be htx or nite hunts). I'd sure love to see the day we as hunters stop blaming everybody else and realize that our bad attitudes is ruining our sporta d the UKC events far more than anything else.

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Are people really so selfish and for themselves nowadays that they can't take one night away and help others and there club? If so, there lies a much greater problem here.

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HTX in general!?! What's the point!? Would Ntch or GrNtCh not be Enough? If it's got ntch an or GrNtCh I assure you it can easily say HTX or maybe I'm wrong? Most open hounds can go out an tree coon by themselves.. is HTX like the title that everyone gets for participating?! I know plenty of farm mutts who can go out an tree couple coon!! Guess their HTX farm coondawgs!

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I realize part of what your saying is true, allot of people are maybe not active enough at their club but it's really not as simple as your saying either. To give you an example at the club I spoke of above in the month of October we had 3 UKC hunts (a Sat night hunt then a Fri/Sat hunt the following week to wrap up the year), we had one ACHA hunt, plus one WTDA squirrel hunt. Now that was an extra hectic month even for that club but still that is not the only club I belong to. If you throw a HTX hunt or two in each month and try to attend every function at that club you really are spending allot of time at one club. I do like the notion of the HTX program but it does ask allot of a club for little return if you ask me. I do think if letting guys judge each other helps make it more feasible for some clubs to hold an HTX event it's something that probably should be looked at IMO

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RLenhart, the difference in your situation and the situation being referred to is that you are clearly very active in the club events. Not one club, but two. Which is great! I applaud that. The nice thing about HTX is that you don't have to have a ton of them every year, and they only have to be scheduled 30 days in advance. It makes them something that can be squeezed in whenever possible. By no means should a club feel obligated to hold these hunts. If there's too much on a club's plate, maybe try one a year if they're interested, but no need to make them a consistency if they don't feel they can handle it.

P.S. Maybe you guys could consider holding a UKC squirrel hunt?

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You sir...... don't know what you're talking about.

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I really enjoy going to the HTX hunts.



Elmo Overton had a good idea on HTX hunts that I think would improve attendance: if dogs that had a HTX didn't have to tree a coon at the World Hunt, that would help attendance.

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I've scheduled, inspected, and got several of my own dogs their HTX certification. The biggest problem I see is as stated, not enough club member participation, especially after the initial HTX hunts and members get the HTX certification on their own dogs. Having the HTX hunts on club meeting nights did seem to work better but not always. Being able to inspect each others dogs on the same night would help some. If two guys were going to cheat for each other they could do it on the same night or alternate hunt dates, wouldn't matter one bit if it was the same night or opposite nights. Even if a guy cheated to get one HTX pass they still would have to figure out how to get 2 more passes to get the HTX certificate. I don't think that the HTX certification is held in high enough esteem or would change the value of a dog enough to make it worth cheating for even the biggest cheats.

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I've scheduled, inspected, and got several of my own dogs their HTX certification. The biggest problem I see is as stated, not enough club member participation, especially after the initial HTX hunts and members get the HTX certification on their own dogs. Having the HTX hunts on club meeting nights did seem to work better but not always. Being able to inspect each others dogs on the same night would help some. If two guys were going to cheat for each other they could do it on the same night or alternate hunt dates, wouldn't matter one bit if it was the same night or opposite nights. Even if a guy cheated to get one HTX pass they still would have to figure out how to get 2 more passes to get the HTX certificate. I don't think that the HTX certification is held in high enough esteem or would change the value of a dog enough to make it worth cheating for even the biggest cheats.

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Also there should be a performance program for show dogs
If a dog can't tree coon by itself it has no need being a ntch, I think htx should have to come first somehow, but it would impossible to have complete honesty

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Also there should be a performance program for show dogs
If a dog can't tree coon by itself it has no need being a ntch, I think htx should have to come first somehow, but it would impossible to have complete honesty

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Also there should be a performance program for show dogs
If a dog can't tree coon by itself it has no need being a ntch, I think htx should have to come first somehow, but it would impossible to have complete honesty

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So would you say every dog has to be a show champion before they can be put in a hunt?

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Its just so easy to get sidetracked , we struggle to maintain 20 members a year and usually only 5-6 show up at hunts or meetings , all the UKC clubs have closed down around here or at leas most of them ,if I were ukc I would be calling those clubs and begging them to come back, competition drives business , and UKC is getting skunked wont be long and you will only have RQE and big hunts, You folks had better get someone in the field to visit these clubs help them out or do something pretty soon or you want have to worry about HTX.

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Take your farm mutt to big woods and thin coon, then let us know how many coons he trees solo.

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