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I just ordered two bags of science diet from them.
Not sure if the price changes much but if you get on the auto send, they gave me a 20 percent discount on the first order. I ordered one bag of puppy food and one bag of adult feed. The price was $58.70 for the two bags.
I ordered once before from them and the feed was under my carport in three days

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It's $47 at our local TC. I'm not saying it's the best feed. Corn , beet pulp, etc are fillers but it's the only feed we've been able to find with iodized salt and in every dog it has brought their thyroid level up big time. I loved diamond ae , victor and pro plan but mine and a bunch of friends hounds thyroid bottomed out. It's not coincidence with this many cases in the last 7-8 yrs. we've spent a lot of time and $$$ and it's the food no doubt about it

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One more thing and then I'll shut up. A really close friend that's a super good vet had an analyze done on a bag of one of the more popular feed that hound hunters feed. The results were that if you fed the whole bag to a dog in one day that there wasn't enough iodine to sustain a heathy thyroid. Everything living thing on the earth HAS to have iodine and if it's not enough the thyroid takes a nose dive.

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Myself along with a couple of good friends(one which is a vet) have been trying to get to the bottom of this thyroid prob for about a year and a half. Although there's still a lot to learn about it one things for certain. Its the DOG FOOD!!! We've tried and researched about every brand and kept records of the dogs that had the prob and what they ate plus flea meds, wormer, etc.Purina,victor,diamond and all the rest BESIDES science diet had thyroid issues. Science diet uses iodized salt, the others iodine comes from diff sources way down the list on the ingredients chart. All of our hounds were on meds until we put them on science diet and then their thyroid levels went through the roof in two months or less. The other feed company's had better get on the stick with this prob or they'll have big time law suits on their hands. If your hound has thyroid probs try science diet for a couple of months. I'll bet it fixes your prob

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No issues with energy. But your rite it is low protein/fat compared to most but it beats given pills twice a day

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I have a young hound that has had a tick disease (Even though he was on tick prevention) and now has low thyroid. He has been feed Puppy chow and pro plan his whole life. Has anyone ever seen thyroid levels improve in a hound that has had a tick diseases just by switching to Science Diet? I'm gona try it because we have been trying to figure out the proper dosage he needs.

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I will let you know when I have my female re checked. She has erichilla, she was first tested for thyroid when she was going through a false pregnancy and it was low(1) I just had her re checked yesterday(6months) and it went up to a 1.5 naturally. I have been feeding Victor high pro plus and she looks great. I bought Science Diet puppy 26/16 yesterday and going to feed it for a month or so and have her re tested and see if it goes up any

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Mine had Lymes 6 months ago after 30 days of Doxy was complete he went back to clicking, then about 2 months ago he went into another slump thyroid level was (1.1). Gave him one pill a day with no improvements after 4 weeks of treatment, worse actually (.8), now giving two pills a day and switching from Pro Plan to Science diet.

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My brother gives his dogs a little bit of milk every day. No heat cycle or thyroid problems. Milk has iodine in it.

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Has anyone done any research on how much iodine a dog needs daily and how much iodized salt that you would have to give them.

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A research done by 6 vets states a dog needs .07 milligrams per lb of dog food.not sure how much is in salt.

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Yes but I don't have it in front of me and to be honest don't know rite off where I put it. I can tell you that what we found was there wasn't near enough iodine used in dog food. Most use calcium iodate and it near the bottom on the ingredient chart. Science diet uses the old fashion iodized salt and its near the top. Everybody go to your local feed store or research it on the net and see for yourself. I'm no doctor by any stretch but any moron can see that there's a huge prob with everybodys hound havin low thyroid. When I first told one of my best friends(that's a vet) mine and several other hunting buddies our suspicions he thought we were nuts, but now he and a few other vets agree

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Iodine is added to salt to make it iodized salt, sea salt has iodine in it naturally, but doesn't have enough. Actually a lot of articles on salt and why Iodine was added.

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a little red cell does wonders ,not canine ,the horse formula . we used to give it to the hare hounds when we ran snowshoe for days and it seemed to give em more stamina . the dog kind doesn't have iodine but the horse does. has folic acid too so it gives a bred gyp what the feed lacks . it doesn't take much cause its pretty strong . a little bit mixed in some water then dump in the feed bucket n stirred up . we have kept beagles,fox hounds,sq dogs,and coon dogs but we never had any thyroid problems so don't know if it would help.........OR MAYBE THATS WHY? lol

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I think it's going to be funny when people start to switch to a diet containing corn like Science Diet and finding out that their dogs actually do better on it. lol I've argued for years it's about the balance and quality control of a diet. I've been fortunate to see thousands of dogs on various diets every year and see which ones have show quality hair coats, good dental health, bright/ alert behavior and appearance, and good energy levels. It's really rare that I come across a dog that was on a diet containing corn that has a health issue. Most of this was marketing hype by companies like Natura Pet, the makers of California Natural.

The dietary requirement for iodine in dogs is .7mg per pound of dog food on a dry matter basis. So for most dry foods that are between 10-13% moisture levels, that would be around .8mg per pound of dry dog food as fed. You'll have to check the moisture levels of the food you are feeding.

I'll call Purina this week, but I"m pretty sure they use iodized salt as their source of salt. They have at least 3 sources of iodine in their Salmon based diets. I feed the Pro Plan 30/20 Salmon to most of my dogs. Just had one of them in for bloodwork a few weeks ago and I test her thyroid levels yearly. She's always had normal thyroid levels. Salmon has high levels of iodine as do certain other wild fish like sardines and flounder.

It's also important to realize that dairy products, especially milk, and grain products are the major contributors of iodine to the American diet. So much for those grain free diets.

If low iodine levels is the problem in commercial diets, then it should be easy to resolve by adding iodine to the diets you suspect are deficient in iodine. If it is an imbalance issue, then adding iodine is not going to resolve the imbalance of vitamin/minerals in that diet.

Here is an interesting article on the quality of iodine from salt. Probably not what you iodine salt scientists want to hear right now. lol http://iodineresearch.com/debunked.html

I look forward to more reports on here.

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Doc is right..... .7mg = 700 mcg.
To put this in perspective an adult man or woman only needs 150 mcg. A nursing mother 290 mcg.
So as you can see a dog requires a much higher daily amount.
Another issue is iodine requires the correct amount of selenium and iron to be properly absorbed and utilized.

Glad to see some others with the same suspicions of dog feed as the culprit.
I tried to factor in environmental, shots, wormers, etc. like posted by
bmoss. One that I believe probably could be a contributing factor is is tick disease.
When you have three females that are totally unrelated to each other kenneled side by side on three different feeds and all three fail to cycle properly you got to scratch your head.
Currently in testing phase is the iodized salt supplement.
Iodized table salt is rated at 67 mcg per 1/4 teaspoon.
So as you can see even 1 full teaspoon is 268mcg still below the RDA for a dog .Less than half.

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What is it about the Tick Diseases that cause thyroid problems? I know of 4 hounds I hunt with regularly (Including mine) that have had Lymes/Erlichia and then came down with or had low thyroid levels when the tick disease was diagnosed. Is it possible for these hounds Thyroid levels to improve with a different diet or has the thyroid been damaged?

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I found out that there are several iodine supplements that you can buy. Just Google iodine.

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I found out that there are several iodine supplements that you can buy. Just Google iodine.

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Come on Richard- they want them to be "seasoned" and SALTY

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Lots of good information here. Lets say it is dog food and by reading this Science Diet is the only one that meets the dogs requirement for Iodized Salt. That means probably 95% of coonhounds and about every deer hound, beagle, and bear hound in the country are not getting what they need. Do all these dogs have problems and they just don't get noticed? Throw in the bird dogs and that leaves me scratching my head.

Now I did just buy two bags of science diet so I am hearing you. Just seem a far stretch right now without more documentation. I know Mr. Moss did some leg work on this at his expense and it is appreciated. Thats why I am going to Science Diet, Thanks Mr. Moss.

I would love to see the information from labs if they could do a search on blood work in dogs and see what the average Thyroid numbers are. Might be rampant and just not seen as a problem.
Does anyone know a lab that stores numbers from blood work and can pull our different test results?

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I think I can get prime rib steaks up here cheaper then Hill's Science Diet dog food lol

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I never claimed to be an " iodized salt scientist". I was hesitant to even get on here because I knew what would happen. I just wanted to share what myself along with several others have learned about this because the "experts" we've talked to don't think there's a prob. I had every test you can have done on my dogs short of having a byopsy done on their thyriod and with EVERY one it was diet related. Not trying to step on toes or anything like that, just trying to save somebody a lot of $$ and heart ache

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I have a question for you guys, can you just give a daily vitiam everyday to your dog ,would that supply the correct amount of iodine to your hound . I was also wondering how much iodine a dog would get from the Victor hi performace plus with fish and kelp in it .

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BMOSS,

I am curious, have you all tried sprinkling iodized salt on the dog feeds that don't use it as an ingredient?

I have someone tell me 2/3 of a teaspoon per week split up into daily or two or three day doses on dog food will do the trick also??

Any insight is appreciated!! I am fed up with this thyroid issue in dogs!!

Thanks!!

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I never claimed to be an " iodized salt scientist". I was hesitant to even get on here because I knew what would happen. I just wanted to share what myself along with several others have learned about this because the "experts" we've talked to don't think there's a prob. I had every test you can have done on my dogs short of having a byopsy done on their thyriod and with EVERY one it was diet related. Not trying to step on toes or anything like that, just trying to save somebody a lot of $$ and heart ache

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