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Greg Burks
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How would they know it is yours and how to get ahold of you at 2am on a Wednesday?

What I'm trying to say is if your dog or anything else gets on my property your welcome to go get it every body around here knows that....but if I come up on a stranger on my land and he's like (I'm gonna get my dog or whatever I don't care who It belongs to) then he will be filed on....found some guy's from out of town that had set up camp on my property after talking to them for a while I let them go ahead and stay we had a good visit and made new friends. ...

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Greg Burks
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quote:
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How would they know it is yours and how to get ahold of you at 2am on a Wednesday?

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Originally posted by Greg Burks
What I'm trying to say is if your dog or anything else gets on my property your welcome to go get it every body around here knows that....but if I come up on a stranger on my land and he's like (I'm gonna get my dog or whatever I don't care who It belongs to) then he will be filed on....found some guy's from out of town that had set up camp on my property after talking to them for a while I let them go ahead and stay we had a good visit and made new friends. ...

I understand. But sometimes just getting in and getting out is your only option. Either way we all need to be careful about how we do things.

Right to retrieve is great, but shouldn't be abused

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A game warden is a federal officer with more power than a federal marshal they can go anywhere do anything in any state

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A game warden is a federal officer with more power than a federal marshal they can go anywhere do anything in any state

your right and most abuse that power i think they should be strip of some of that power i've had 1 dealing with a warden and it wasn't good try to charge me with a trespass and brandishing a weapon had to get a lawyer he just took the word of a person that didn't own the ground it was ground that the coal company that i worked for owned woman got on her rooftop took a pic of me shoootin a deer in a feild told him i point a gun at her he was stupid enough when he wrote the tickets i was going over and pay them said he had pics of me pointing the gun at her lawyer never got any pics lawyer said he has nothing on you or he woulda arrest you on the spot held the pics till court date lawyer went got them came back laughing said i'll be right back came back said go home it's over sorry for the long post

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dixon
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i wander how long a game warden has to got school and training to become a game warden and how long a federal marshall has to go to school and training to become a federal marshall.

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I hunt with a retired warden sometimes and he said a warden can come on to some ones land without permission ...IF.... it's in the capacity of his job , he said now is it the wardens job to go get a dog ? I said no. He said there is your answer . Now the way I took it was a warden or Sheriff could come out and try to convince the landowner to allow you to go get your dog.

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WVBLUEBOY
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Originally posted by dixon
i wander how long a game warden has to got school and training to become a game warden and how long a federal marshall has to go to school and training to become a federal marshall.

Depends on the state the warden would be working in. Each state has different requirements on law enforcement training and its length. In WV., Troopers get longer training than state wardens, county deputies, and city police.
Federal agencies usually hire people that have already had law enforcement experience and training from a state, then the federal agency put the person hired through the agencies own training.

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Originally posted by ky87
I hunt with a retired warden sometimes and he said a warden can come on to some ones land without permission ...IF.... it's in the capacity of his job , he said now is it the wardens job to go get a dog ? I said no. He said there is your answer . Now the way I took it was a warden or Sheriff could come out and try to convince the landowner to allow you to go get your dog.

Here in this state the warden would need probable cause with exegent circumstances that evidence of a crime would be destroyed or removed from said place. If all the warden has is probable cause, he is supposed to go get a search warrant. The exegent circumstances is the kicker that lets law enforcement go onto property or even into a house without first having a search warrant.

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A game warden is a federal officer with more power than a federal marshal they can go anywhere do anything in any state

I have three friends that are wardens and I don't know where you got your info from but it's not correct. There are federal game wardens and state wardens. They have no more power than any other officer. They have to have probable cause. The thing is if you are hunting he has probable cause. He can go on someone's land if it is in the course of his duty same as a county sherif or any other officer.

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I have three friends that are wardens and I don't know where you got your info from but it's not correct. There are federal game wardens and state wardens. They have no more power than any other officer. They have to have probable cause. The thing is if you are hunting he has probable cause. He can go on someone's land if it is in the course of his duty same as a county sherif or any other officer.

You correct....

US Fish & Wildlife is federal. They are going to be on federal property ,but can enforce on private or state property (their primary focus is on federal violations). You don't have to worry about them boys checking you unless you are on federal property.

TN Wildlife resource officers are state. They are going to be on the private and state property. They can enforce on federal property. They are the ones you are going to run into coon hunting.

Joey hit the nail. It all hinges on probably cause.

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Mark V.
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The bigger the deer you kill and post there picture in the magazine the more of this kind of stuff you will have !

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WVBLUEBOY
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HillBilly, all law enforcement officers, including wardens, bring charges FOR the state in WV. That's why all criminal trial paper work has State of West Virginia -VS- the person charged wrote on it. All state, county, and city police enforce state law and federal agencies enforce federal law.

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Years ago while covering the graveyard shift at a Sheriff's Office a call came in from a man who's hound was treed on an interesting character's property. The deputy was still on duty & asked me to relay the permission to cross & be quick about it. The deputy started to head that direction.

A couple minutes later the landowner called about people trespassing, explained the situation & that the deputy was enroute. He said he'd met the deputy.

About 2 hours later the deputy stopped by the office, turned out they all went hunting. He was on overtime to boot.

When in doubt call the non-emergency number, advise dispatch of your location & situation.

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hillbilly56
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dang my trigger finger musta got stuck i just need 1 post lol

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quote:
Originally posted by joey
I have three friends that are wardens and I don't know where you got your info from but it's not correct. There are federal game wardens and state wardens. They have no more power than any other officer. They have to have probable cause. The thing is if you are hunting he has probable cause. He can go on someone's land if it is in the course of his duty same as a county sherif or any other officer.

I own quite a lot of land, in two different states. I don't have any of it posted, I would never hurt a hunting dog and I would not stop anyone from getting their dog. If I am there and hear them I get my light and go help. Never had a problem with hunters.
What Mike is saying above is true and just to clarify: there are really only three reasons any law enforcement officer can come on private land...one is a search warrant, two is if they are an eyewitness to a crime being committed and three is if the landowner calls them. Period. That is it.
Some officers will frequently try to buffalo people, most never try. But unless they are on your land for one of the three above reasons they are just as trespassing as anyone else that don't belong there.
Because I don't post my land I have some trouble with trespassers. Every now and then someone decides to help themselves. When I catch them I always ask, "are you lost, do you need help??? or do you need me to show you the way out of here???" You have to watch getting too nasty, they really could be lost and need help. They could be decent people and end up being a good friend.

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I am guilty as everyone else having my dogs get on unfamiliar property from time to time and have decided i wont hunt a dog that wont tone in anymore. I do believe it is our responsibility to make sure we can control our hounds at all times.

It aggrevates me to see the posts where somebody's dog got shot on someone else's land and they are trying to expose the landowner. It will never make sense to me to blame someone else for my negligence.

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I am guilty as everyone else having my dogs get on unfamiliar property from time to time and have decided i wont hunt a dog that wont tone in anymore. I do believe it is our responsibility to make sure we can control our hounds at all times.

It aggrevates me to see the posts where somebody's dog got shot on someone else's land and they are trying to expose the landowner. It will never make sense to me to blame someone else for my negligence.

You would be one in a million or so sir. The average person in this country wants to know what the rest of the world is going to do for him. New tracking devices have changed coon hunting for the better in a lot of ways, but you are right, they are not always fool proof. Some people use the excuse about not wanting to wake up some landowner in the middle of the night...I say why wait until 2:00am??? Why not go and talk to the land owners around where you plan to hunt BEFORE you go out??? I have made a few friends and got some new hunting places that way and I don't have to worry when I cut my dogs loose.

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You would be one in a million or so sir. The average person in this country wants to know what the rest of the world is going to do for him. New tracking devices have changed coon hunting for the better in a lot of ways, but you are right, they are not always fool proof. Some people use the excuse about not wanting to wake up some landowner in the middle of the night...I say why wait until 2:00am??? Why not go and talk to the land owners around where you plan to hunt BEFORE you go out??? I have made a few friends and got some new hunting places that way and I don't have to worry when I cut my dogs loose.

This is exactly what I do. And FYI it doesn't always go well either. I've been told just make sure your dog doesn't make it on my property. So I do try and tone the dog back in when we get close to his property. But it doesn't always work. And how do you think it would go to talk to such an individual? I can say not real well. Ever.

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I'd rather have free reins of hunting the property than going in stealth mode to retrieve my dog.

"Rambo going in, Forest Gump on the way out" lol

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It's hard to picture you doin a "Forrest Gump" retreat Nick!!! Just not getting the mental image!!! But yeah, it don't always go right. That is exactly my point...if they say "no dogs, no trespassing" then I know not to turn loose a dog that runs big and don't know what here means.

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as i have stated most wardens are courpt and the 1s that are good has the same image as the the courpt and todays people are complete butt holes these days i have people rabbitt hunt right behind my house long as the careful and not shoot towards the house barn or towards the horses i say nothing even if i don't know them but im from the old school days when folks didn't think thier ground was so presious that people couldn't step foot on it

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. All state, county, and city police enforce state law and federal agencies enforce federal law.

I think you meant state law. LLEOs don't enforce CFRs. They can enforce state law on federal property if it is concurrent jurisdiction. If is exclusive jurisdiction they can't.

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I think you meant state law. LLEOs don't enforce CFRs. They can enforce state law on federal property if it is concurrent jurisdiction. If is exclusive jurisdiction they can't.

This is correct sir.

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I think you meant state law. LLEOs don't enforce CFRs. They can enforce state law on federal property if it is concurrent jurisdiction. If is exclusive jurisdiction they can't.

Never say "never"...our local game wardens, the "Natural Resources Police" are state employees. They write federal citations for migratory bird violations all the time. I have lived on the Chesapeake bay all my life except two years of it and have yet to see a "federal game warden". I know they are out there and exist somewhere, but I haven't had the pleasure of meeting any so far.
Those tickets that the state guys write are definitely federal. I know this for two reasons...one was that if I had ever got one and was found guilty the first thing they do is revoke any federal security clearance you have. There was a time when I couldn't afford to loose my top secret clearance. The other thing about it that is strange is that the cases are federal, but they are tried in a local court by a local judge. I am friends with one of the judges that hears the cases all the time. Not sure why it is done this way, but if you get a federal ticket for a game law violation you don't go to the federal court house. The one thing I don't know is where the fine money goes.
Get caught by a local deputy with a full auto weapon and see if you don't get locked up...you will end up in the federal court house, but that deputy is not going to let you go, he will "enforce" the "CFR", even if it's just long enough to turn you over to the feds.

Edit: On another note...I don't know what they do where the rest of you guys live, but at least twice a year some idiot here decides that the way to handle trespassers is to take an automatic 22 and empty the magazine over their head. Just happened a few weeks back...it always ends the same way. The police show up in force, body slam the moron with the 22 and he gets a backseat ride to the local jail. I don't know what the law is called that they are breaking, but I know it always ends the same way. It must be some kind of felony to do that. It ends better for the trespasser than the landowner. Apparently "I just wanted to scare 'em" is not a good defense in this case.

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