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I've grew up with these dogs since I started hunting. They're good ones for the style they perform. If you like heavy mouths and barking on the ground plus a good tree dog most of them will suit a man, but I'm the odd ball here. I live between 3 of the biggest Yadkin river men around. They are Jim Meeks , Pete Barber and Jack Dobson. They haven't converted me yet but they have good Yadkin river dogs. I myself hunt tight mouth Old FINLEY RIVER crossed over ROCK RIVER blood lines with little CLOVER thru in. They are what I like but if you're looking for YADKIN RIVER give these fellows a call.

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I jumped ship in the past that's what I am trying to fix now it was a three pup super cross but their pups was lacking till I went to bone he fixed my mistake now we will see if he reproduces reproducers or if it's anouther dead end I think this constant strive for the perfect dog is what keeps me going or driving me nuts one of the two lol!! Besides that Krystal told me they were bored the other day the board was dead me and you are doing our part lol!!

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You have to know what the pure Yadkin River dogs were known for not the watered down version a true yadkin River dog is a meat dog a dog with enough nose , brains and determination to finish what it starts with exceptional accuracy without help often times destroying its competition with its abilitys not saying other strains don't have it but not as consistantly as the pure Yadkin River dogs did the founders of it did it through a lot of years of strict culling that's the best way I can explain it I love to answer questions you are not bothering me there are things in the works the flash in the pan things have about run their course kind of like the emus it was good for the ones that started it everybody wised up and went back to eating beef lol!!!

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Everyone keeps referring to Sacket Jr. as a Yadkinriver dog. He was, in fact 1/4 Yadkinriver. Guess that means he was 3/4 other blood. He wasn't typical of the Yadkinriver dogs. He was more the nose to the ground trailing dog that liked to get treed. The old Yadkinriver dogs ran heads up and treed when they got to the end of the track.
I moved to Yadkin county in 1974 and was hunting Oney bred english dogs. I ran into Toehead Smith who I had know since I was a pup as he had conditioned and handled gamecocks for my dad and his partner. His buddy, Kyle Chase traded Jim Meeks out of Yadkin River Tom and him and Toehead hunted together a lot. Tom was bred to several females in the immediate area. I watched as these pups came along and witnessed pups under a year old doing the work of old dogs, and could fly a track. Thats what made me switch breeds. When Jim Meeks told me Champ would catch a couple coons a week I really had my doubts until I went and hunted with him. This dog was unreal. He could outswim a Lab and I saw with my own eyes that Jim was telling the truth. I have seen several of these dogs that you could send into dogs bawling around on a cold trail and they would take it out like a deer race and tree the coon and make it look easy.
So not putting down Sacket Jr. Im just saying he wasn't typical of the strain. He did make his mark in the coonhound world as you could breed him to a shephard and get treedogs.

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Novicaine go back several generations on your River Bend blood and you may answer your own question. Whole lot of the same foundation blood. I credit that as the reason that Flag blood and YR crossed so well. Absolutely the reason that they nicked so good.

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River bend blood goes back to Normans coon stopper those dogs could flat run a track and were accurate tree dogs I might be mistaken but mr brookshires dogs went back that way also but here's were we might agree the dogs of yesterday were used to make a living for the family (coon hides ) the dogs of today are built to work the clock $$$ hunts being coon hides are not worth anything but here is the million $$$ question with hides at an all time low coons should be more plentiful than the hunts of yesterday why are a lot of major hunts won with one or two coons a cast compared to six coons a cast of yesterday and a lot of that depends on weather you are giving them the thyroid pill or the other pill you know what I mean Vern just sayen !!

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I am amazed at these Ole pups from 1994, I thought they might be slow walking and slow talking, but they act just like today's dogs! Who would of thought? LOL

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We gave up on you a long time ago. Buy you books and buy you books and can't learn ya nuttin.

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River bend blood goes back to Normans coon stopper those dogs could flat run a track and were accurate tree dogs I might be mistaken but mr brookshires dogs went back that way also but here's were we might agree the dogs of yesterday were used to make a living for the family (coon hides ) the dogs of today are built to work the clock $$$ hunts being coon hides are not worth anything but here is the million $$$ question with hides at an all time low coons should be more plentiful than the hunts of yesterday why are a lot of major hunts won with one or two coons a cast compared to six coons a cast of yesterday and a lot of that depends on weather you are giving them the thyroid pill or the other pill you know what I mean Vern just sayen !!

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Sackett Jr looks half Yadkin River to me. Jeff twice, Crowder and Champ which are Jeff's Sons. Yadkin on top bred to one of the best reproducing females ever. The dams side has a lot of importance also. Dohoney's hounds crossed on Charley Creek. Now answer this, HOBO is making some crosses on Charley Creek BIG MIKE. Thats the same pattern that produced Skeans Dolly. HOBO is a smart guy and knows what he is doing. The Blue Prints are in front of you and the patterns of the past are there. I give these guys a hard time because it is fun. But on a serious note. Several on here, Yadkin Tar, Conrad, HOBO and several more know what they are doing. Just don't tell them I said that.

CH GRNITECH WRIGHTS PISTOL PETE
NITECH YADKIN RIVER JEFF
NITECH GRCH KYLES ROZELL
NITE CH PR YADKIN RIVER CROWDER
GRAND NITE CH POWERS TIDEWATER SHEP
DAVIDS DINAH
NITE CH STONEY ROADS IDA MAE
GRNTCH PR ROCK RIVER SACKETT
NITECH YADKIN RIVER JEFF
YADKIN RIVER CHAMP
PR TAR RIVER JILL
PR FLYNNS HUSTLIN GYPSY
PR DYSONS REUBEN RED
GULLETTS DIXIE GIRL
PR PRUITTS HUSTLIN HOLLY

ALLENS BUCKEYE RANGER
NITE CH DOHONEYS MIKE
ROWLANDS BUCKEYE LUCY
GR NITE CH PR DOHONEYS BOONE
GR NITE CH GR CH SPRING CREEK ROCK
DOHONEY SUPERSTAR
NITE CH DOHONEYS CADILLAC
GRNTCH PR SKEANS DOLLY
NITE CH CHARLEY CREEK JOHN
GR NITE CH CHARLEY CREEK LATCH
MOUGHLERS LADY
PR DOHONEYS SPICE
GR NITE CH ROCK RIVER RING
CH CHARLEY CREEK PATCHES
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Here's a twist Bruce the Mike dog of dohoneys is double bred old hickory nut Harry he reproduced bozo and he was the backbone of the coma dogs then came wipeout it's amazing how it can change over the years and go in so many directions that's why a guy that breeds has to know pedigrees of the past you talk about a box of chocolates lol!

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Peaked my interest on Sackett jr. I would say his sire is half yadkin and dam none, so he would be about 1/4 at best.

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That is exactly the point I am trying to make here.

River Bend June II was bred to Balls Stylish Harry. Several good pups out of her carried the River Bend Name. If someone else owned them they would have carried the Stylish name.

I have a female pup that was bred and raised here that is just over a year old. I own the sire and dam and the Sire was out of Zeb Again and her Mom is out of Zeb Again. Bottom line, line bred Zeb Again. I am not opposed to it and I truly understand it's value. I don't recommend it publicly because it is a tool most people breeding are not responsible enough to handle. Like a loaded gun. It will mess something up if you don't handle it properly.
We all have dogs that come from a lot of the same places deep in the background. Find the like places that have the characteristics you like and head that direction.

Answer this about Lipper. He had a very distinct treeing style. How many people trying to keep the Lipper Blood has kept the same treeing style? If people line breeding these dogs can't keep something as tangible as mouth going, how can you trust them when they say they have the intangible genetics of Lipper in their pups. Most of it is just a dream.
NOT ALL so Conrad don't head this way to hit me. lol

The bottom line I use for a measuring stick is Coon in a Tree. You can call them what you want.

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Bruce don't be mad at me either lol! But lipper through a heck of a lot more dogs not like him than like him !! 5000 pups more untitled than titled not one world champion I still shudder when I hear his name but they will dig up some more seman one of these days and find anouther victim but yadkintar won't be trying to hunt them down this time no siree Bob been there done that I am way over it lol!

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Man, I agree. But here is the thing. Nothing with the breeding of coondogs works all the time and some will say, not even most of the time. But you cannot fault anyone that tries, but I caution anyone to be careful of jumping on a band wagon. I understand completely what Mr Hopkins is doing and respect him for it. I understand you with your Yadkin River hounds and respect you for it. Heck Conrad and Hobo got it going on. But one mans sugar is another mans salt in this game. Look at Frank and his Sackett hounds. Looks at any PKC set of papers and see almost 2 MILLION won from JR offspring. If that isn't impressive, nothing is. Look at some of the wipeout hounds and the hundreds of thousands of dollars they have won. Lot of guys in the sport have it going on. Lot of guys trying to duplicate those guys also. Better bring more than a breeding program. Better bring hard work and dedication. That is the Environment side of breeding dogs we read about but most don't understand.

You will hear me say many times I like, and at an early stage in life back in the 70's chose House bred hounds cause they could track in these swamps. This was two generations before Lipper. Back when Houses Chief was around and then Tom Tom.
I didn't have the determination, ability, dedication and actually the time to accomplish was I would have liked to with those hounds. Did funnel some money out of the house funds to get a dog bred to Tom Tom. That was mixed results like all breedings. I kept two. One made a nice hound, one a slick treeing idiot. Yes back in the early 80's a slick treeing nut. But we knew what to do when them in those days.
First thing I do when I look at a pedigree is I look and the dogs and divide offspring into two categories.
Running hounds that will tree.
Tree dogs that will run.
I always prefer the running hounds that will tree. Thats due to my location and what it takes to trail one here in these swamps.

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Yadkin River Champ is actually a descendant of River Bend Flag, like stated previously I believe that's one reason the two lines cross well together.

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I'm greatly enjoying this thread.

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Bruce I can also tell you that most places in the country want the same thing as you and I. But there's a bunch of people that don't look at the dog in the same light. Some don't like to admit that they've got a slick tree'er. Or they want to "try and better the breed" but don't put in the research, boot leather, and conversation with knowledgeable breeders and hunters. And breed to the "hot stud". Because they don't want to be stuck with a bunch of pup's the can't sell.

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Dillion now you telling me my dog has same dogs as YadkinTars dogs in their pedigree. Stop the madness. Let me off this train. Lol

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Bruce does that mean we are cousins lol! When we get together for our hunt you come up here we got snakes but you got the big ones I don't like snakes lol!!

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Whether it's Lipper or Yadkin River or Conkey hounds it's about traits! Can you keep them?
Pedigrees will blind you if your not careful, make sure the traits are there also.
Traits, are the traits consistent?
Do not breed a dog that does not show the traits you like, period.
Poor Ole Lipper was bred to all those sorry females
If he could of bred all those Sackett jr females, you boys would be wearing Lipper hats to this day.lol

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He was bred to quite a few tar rattler females at just the right time lol!!

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Conrad you are a man beyond your time.

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Bruce is that good or bad? lol
Also does that get me a discount on one of those nice Boss Lights?

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Poor Ole Lipper was bred to all those sorry females
If he could of bred all those Sackett jr females, you boys would be wearing Lipper hats to this day.lol

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