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TomPurdy
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Originally posted by Ed zachary
You mean like Obama care, Amnesty for illegals, inisex bathrooms, etc.

Ed, we are talking about freedom of religion. You might want to revise your post! You care to take a swing at the question I asked?

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One of the first ones that comes to my mind....Expanding our Military, we need it.
Doing away with Obamacare, I think we need to help the poor and the ones that can't afford Healthcare, but don't force your Plan on the rest of us.

Stopping All Muslims from coming to this Country, at least until they go thru a Rigorous Background Check, and we find out their intentions.

Just a few........

Better dust off the ole breech shotgun cuz that's all Hillary will let us have after she has her way! Her liberal Supreme Court Judge and her United Nations Small Arms Treaty will abolish our 2nd Amendment ! You think Australia is strict wait until her sorry ass destroys our constitution with her liberal judges.

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One of the first ones that comes to my mind....Expanding our Military, we need it.
Doing away with Obamacare, I think we need to help the poor and the ones that can't afford Healthcare, but don't force your Plan on the rest of us.

Stopping All Muslims from coming to this Country, at least until they go thru a Rigorous Background Check, and we find out their intentions.

Just a few........

I'm all for giving our Military what they need to do their job quickly and decisively, however, throwing more money at a problem isn't always the way to fix it. If it was, the Democrats would be the greatest problem solvers in history. Stopping all the politically motivated social engineering would go a long way in recruitment, readiness, and retention. I'm not so sure Trump can be trusted to take up the cause instead of just maintaining status quo. He did, after all, invite Bruce Jenner into Trump Tower to use the restroom of his choice. Again, I fully support our Military and agree with allowing appropriate funding. After all maintaining the Military is actually mentioned in our Constitution, unlike so many other pet projects our Government funds.

As far as Government involvement in the healthcare industry, our so called leaders can't even seem to operate clearly defined Constitutional responsibilities, much less those things they magically read into the Constitution. As far as not forcing anything on anyone, how is this possibly accomplished? If one single person disagrees with whatever policy our Government decides to implement, that person will be forced to comply.

I can agree, in theory, on stopping Muslims from entering our country. After all, when you read the writings of Joseph Story (U.S. Supreme Court Justice, appointed by Pres. James Madison), the First Amendment was specifically addressing the issue of Christian denominations, not other belief systems. However, implementing a program to verify background information that often is undocumented, coupled with trying to discover the intentions of a group of people whose worldview and belief system allow lying as a means of accomplishing their plans (Taqiya), would, at least in my opinion, be next to impossible.

We probably agree on many issues, just maybe not on how best to solve them and who would be best for the job.

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It doesn't!! However when a Trump supporters says ban ALL Muslims, what do you about the muslim citizens who travel abroad? Are they banned too? If so you have violated their Constitutional rights! If not you don't mean ALL. This is another example of a idea put out there by Trump, that a lot of his supporters have not thought through.

As long as US citizens aren't traveling out of country to radicalize I wouldn't worry too much

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It doesn't!! However when a Trump supporters says ban ALL Muslims, what do you about the muslim citizens who travel abroad? Are they banned too? If so you have violated their Constitutional rights! If not you don't mean ALL. This is another example of a idea put out there by Trump, that a lot of his supporters have not thought through.

Tom, seems you are looking for some thing to cry about. I believe Trump was talking about immigration, citizens do not immigrate. The voters today are so dumbed down that you need to give them a very vague idea to get behind. Imagine if you gave them your written immigration plant to read, all 700 pages, how many would read it and how many would understand it? So they throw out a talking point, the media takes it all out of context, then someone gets his undies all bunched up and goes on a forum like he read the proposed law and is all of a sudden an expert on immigration. I will not discuss what you "thought" he said, what the media "thought" he meant about some thing you know absolutely nothing about.

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As long as US citizens aren't traveling out of country to radicalize I wouldn't worry too much

The fact of the matter is we have a Constitution, and it MUST be followed! You can NOT ban citizens based on religion! I realize it's a dicey situation, but the Constituion must be followed! Trump's latest assault on the Constitution came by way of his attack on free speech. He now is on record as saying the media should be regulated. For all his supposed love of the second amendment, he sure seems to hate the first! He's a liberal so it shouldn't come as a surprise, he would attack the Constitution. However, in fairness to Trump, I think he is just clueless, but dangerous.

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Tom, seems you are looking for some thing to cry about. I believe Trump was talking about immigration, citizens do not immigrate. The voters today are so dumbed down that you need to give them a very vague idea to get behind. Imagine if you gave them your written immigration plant to read, all 700 pages, how many would read it and how many would understand it? So they throw out a talking point, the media takes it all out of context, then someone gets his undies all bunched up and goes on a forum like he read the proposed law and is all of a sudden an expert on immigration. I will not discuss what you "thought" he said, what the media "thought" he meant about some thing you know absolutely nothing about.

Ed, are we talking about immigration? Or are we talking about the ISIS threat? I will agree Trump has dumbed things down! Way down! LOL! Bottom line you can't ban ALL Muslims! You don't need to be expert. Simply knowing what the Constitution says is all that's required!

As, for Trump supporters starting to now cry about the media. Do you ever apply your media logic to Hillary? When right wing media outlets give you "sound bites" with her, how deep do you dig? Or does your reasoning only apply to poor Trump? Your going to have to get over it! It is what it is! Regan won in a landslide, guess what the media was biased against him. Same with others! Trying to place blame on others is a Trump trademark, I understand, however the problem is he is just a horrid republican candidate!

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Tom, the news media need to be forced to tell the whole truth instead of twisting the news to make it tell what they want you to hear!!! They need to go back to investigative reporting and tell all of the facts.

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Ed, are we talking about immigration? Or are we talking about the ISIS threat? I will agree Trump has dumbed things down! Way down! LOL! Bottom line you can't ban ALL Muslims! You don't need to be expert. Simply knowing what the Constitution says is all that's required!

As, for Trump supporters starting to now cry about the media. Do you ever apply your media logic to Hillary? When right wing media outlets give you "sound bites" with her, how deep do you dig? Or does your reasoning only apply to poor Trump? Your going to have to get over it! It is what it is! Regan won in a landslide, guess what the media was biased against him. Same with others! Trying to place blame on others is a Trump trademark, I understand, however the problem is he is just a horrid republican candidate!

You're 100% on the media. It's nothing new! Nobody remembers Romney's "binders full of women?" His 47% comment? The 2 or 3 week story about him being a bully and beating up a gay kid in grade school that nobody could find classmates to verify?

All this about a man that held his tongue and stayed on message. They don't even have to try to be biased weasels with Trump, they just wait for the next days soundbite.

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Ed, are we talking about immigration? Or are we talking about the ISIS threat? I will agree Trump has dumbed things down! Way down! LOL! Bottom line you can't ban ALL Muslims! You don't need to be expert. Simply knowing what the Constitution says is all that's required!

As, for Trump supporters starting to now cry about the media. Do you ever apply your media logic to Hillary? When right wing media outlets give you "sound bites" with her, how deep do you dig? Or does your reasoning only apply to poor Trump? Your going to have to get over it! It is what it is! Regan won in a landslide, guess what the media was biased against him. Same with others! Trying to place blame on others is a Trump trademark, I understand, however the problem is he is just a horrid republican candidate!

Please quote the Constitution that makes a banning any foreign group from immigrating here unconstitutional

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Just a little history during world war 2 we brought German prisoners of war to the USA so we could watch them better most liked it so much better here they stayed we bring a lot of people here they don't imagrate.

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Please quote the Constitution that makes a banning any foreign group from immigrating here unconstitutional

We were not talking about foreign groups. I was replying to Triple K who said, and I repeat ALL Muslims. Which has been proven to be unconstitutional!

To yadkinrivers post again we were at war with a country, thus we banned them based on their country, not their religion! We have NEVER banned people from this country based on religion! Why? Because it would be a disastrous precedent to set. Because some leftist president will come along, and ban Christians! The ground work has already been laid!

Now, since we've discussed the first amendment, and Trump supporters seem unconcerned about Muslims loosening their first amendment rights. Let's move on to the second amendment. Do you guys support stripping ALL Muslims from their right to bear arms?

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He can't ban religions from coming here. That may have been a little white lie he told lol. He knows that. It does not matter who is elected. This country will never be the same as it was. The good times are really over for good. Least if Trump gets it. I will still have my guns to defend my family and self with legally.

I think this is the best time to be alive in the history of the world. Air conditioning, polio has a vaccine, discrimination of all kinds has been reduced, gas is cheap, craigslist, you can complain and moan on a forum instead of driving your friends and wife crazy, and coons are plentiful. No one has taken your guns away ("yet!!" you shout), and everyone can still afford ammo. Someone who wants to earn wages can do it readily in this country. Some people may have to travel for work, but they have always had to do that..... even in the "good old days" when many had to move to Detroit for good wages.

If by the "good times" you mean racism and widespread illiteracy, child illnesses killed many needlessly, I guess they are over. We haven't had a major war or medical epidemic that has taken a large percentage of our loved one in several generations.

Sure we have problems, but focusing on the negative things is silly.

To many people just complain on here, instead of being thankful for what they have. Many on here, just have more history than future, and you can just feel the bitterness come up in their posts. I am sorry for everyone on here who has not lived a fulfilling life, but I would direct you to conservative AM radio as the eternal spring of bitterness.

Here is a question:
What if everyone on here would be as passionate about hound hunter rights instead of their emasculating firearms?

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Tom, I will rephrase my question, Please quote the constitution that says you can't ban a person or persons from immigrantimg here based on their religion?

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Tom , if you are looking for a reason not to vote for Trump, do the research your self and quit relying on cnn. You mite be surprised at who is really against Trump and why so much negativity is thrown at him. Do you want business as usual, I have no idea how the next administration is going to handle the national debt, 20 some trillion dollars, but I do know I don't want a democrat doin it. How are we going to handle legal and illegal immigration? I don't know, but I don't want the democrats continuing to do what they are. What are we going to do about race relations, I don't know, but I don't want the democrats to continue stirrin up crap. What about gun rights , yes gun rights as stated in the constitution, who will respect them we sure as heck know who wont. So if Trump bein a little too rude for you is all you need to not vote for him, fine. Remember, just because you think it, doesn't make it a fact.

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Food for thought.

A good read. Interesting perspective.

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/wa...choice-n2199564

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Shoot that's about 15 more reasons than I need.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If things don't change.

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Originally posted by Triple K Kennel
One of the first ones that comes to my mind....Expanding our Military, we need it.
Doing away with Obamacare, I think we need to help the poor and the ones that can't afford Healthcare, but don't force your Plan on the rest of us.

Stopping All Muslims from coming to this Country, at least until they go thru a Rigorous Background Check, and we find out their intentions.

Just a few........

That is a few people could vote for.

Here is a couple more. Education he wants to give back to the State and local communities are involved in there children's education instead of the politicians and lobbyists.

Going to build the wall to deter criminal activity across our southern border and put in nice big doors to welcome immigrants into this country the right way.

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Originally posted by boozeboxer
I think this is the best time to be alive in the history of the world. Air conditioning, polio has a vaccine, discrimination of all kinds has been reduced, gas is cheap, craigslist, you can complain and moan on a forum instead of driving your friends and wife crazy, and coons are plentiful. No one has taken your guns away ("yet!!" you shout), and everyone can still afford ammo. Someone who wants to earn wages can do it readily in this country. Some people may have to travel for work, but they have always had to do that..... even in the "good old days" when many had to move to Detroit for good wages.

If by the "good times" you mean racism and widespread illiteracy, child illnesses killed many needlessly, I guess they are over. We haven't had a major war or medical epidemic that has taken a large percentage of our loved one in several generations.

Sure we have problems, but focusing on the negative things is silly.

To many people just complain on here, instead of being thankful for what they have. Many on here, just have more history than future, and you can just feel the bitterness come up in their posts. I am sorry for everyone on here who has not lived a fulfilling life, but I would direct you to conservative AM radio as the eternal spring of bitterness.

Here is a question:
What if everyone on here would be as passionate about hound hunter rights instead of their emasculating firearms?

Don't know how you could say that. If you're only figuring economic freedom along with modern age medicine giving protection against major diseases, then way back during the Reagan era was the best times.

Since then we've lost both economic growth, and personal liberties.

% of Gross National Debt per GDP was 60% under Reagan, now it's over 100% under Obama. By the year 2025 we will be spending more money to service our debt than we will be on our military.

Economic growth under Reagan averaged 7.1% , under Obama an anemic 2.8%.

One of Reagan's highest initial priorities was reducing restrictive regulations. He enacted a regulation task force, and by Executive order issued a rule requiring all regulations to meet a common sense cost-benefit analysis.

Just Obama's single coal regulation cost over 9 billion annually. The regulations beyond that are too numerous to list.

Individual and religious liberties are getting squeezed at an alarming rate. That's a whole other page of discussion.

In my biased opinion, USA is still the greatest place to live. But anybody that thinks it's the best times we've ever seen is living with blinders on. Near 70% of Americans that think the country is headed in the wrong direction agree with me. They might not agree on the FIX, but they can sense things are not even close to right.

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Here is another problem with Trump. The idea that you can ban an entire group of people based solely on their religion. In this case muslims, is to put it simply unconstitutional, and dangerous! Trump doesn't seem to care about the constitution, and a lot of his supporters not all, but a lot seem to have forgotten about it as well.

Tom, No we have not forgotten about the Constitution in fact we want it enforced. It is in the constitution to ban any foreign government entity from entering the country that wants to over throw the Laws of the United States. Sharia Law is a foreign Government entity supported by majority of foreign Mus lim adult males and females. So yes we should ban them temporarily from coming into the United States until our Government and politicians get there act together and come up with a vetting process that could vet foreigners and find out which want to condemn Sharia law and want to assimilate into America and the Laws of the United States. What should open yours eyes and make you do research is why so many career hungry politicians condemned what Trump said and are willing to break a constitutional law of the U.S. Our corrupt federal government are addicted to power and spending. They have used the black and illegal Hispanic immigrants to keep power and control for 40yrs.. Both of those groups are wising up and taking notice so now the federal government has to find voters that believe in government. That is why you saw so many career politicians on both sides of the isle condemning Trumps temporary ban. They have found the group of people that believe in government and government control they are called Islamic Refugees and will give the U.S. federal government power over it citizens as these refugees believe in Sharia law and total government control. Your American dreams will disappear for your grandkids and great grandkids if the government takes control of it citizens and these refugees is the easiest way for that control to be awarded to the federal government.

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Wouldn't that be the same for Pol Pot or Idi Amin?

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Wouldn't that be the same for Pol Pot or Idi Amin?

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Don't know how you could say that. If you're only figuring economic freedom along with modern age medicine giving protection against major diseases, then way back during the Reagan era was the best times.

Since then we've lost both economic growth, and personal liberties.

% of Gross National Debt per GDP was 60% under Reagan, now it's over 100% under Obama. By the year 2025 we will be spending more money to service our debt than we will be on our military.

Economic growth under Reagan averaged 7.1% , under Obama an anemic 2.8%.

One of Reagan's highest initial priorities was reducing restrictive regulations. He enacted a regulation task force, and by Executive order issued a rule requiring all regulations to meet a common sense cost-benefit analysis.

Just Obama's single coal regulation cost over 9 billion annually. The regulations beyond that are too numerous to list.

Individual and religious liberties are getting squeezed at an alarming rate. That's a whole other page of discussion.

In my biased opinion, USA is still the greatest place to live. But anybody that thinks it's the best times we've ever seen is living with blinders on. Near 70% of Americans that think the country is headed in the wrong direction agree with me. They might not agree on the FIX, but they can sense things are not even close to right.

The Golden Age, it appears, is always when someone is in their prime. People of a certain age either point to Clinton or Reagan..... But really why not Ford or Martin Van Buren? You point to Reagan, but that is probably when you where in your prime.
Wouldn't the manifest destiny be the ultimate time to be an American or when we purchased Alaska? How about the California Gold Rush? Coming home from WWII would be a high water mark for pride in our Country.

I think people (and I am guilty of this too) get stuck in their own little fishbowl world and their only reference point is about their 30 good years.

I prefer to think of this as the Golden Age, and why not? You can't control it, and might as well make the most of your life.

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