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Voted for Gov. Johnson is 2012, he is a Libertarian that does not believe gov't. should be involved in personal behavior such as drugs, sex behavior, abortion, etc. Choice should be personal and not the gov't. He was a fiscal conservative. Many so called conservatives would not support some of his positions....

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IMHO, both parties have changed a lot. Todays so called Democrats would call JFK a Republican. LBJ, well he'd still be called a lying crook by everybody. Also remember George H. W. Bush went after guns as did Reagan before him. Slick Willy Clinton was the one that signed it into law. NONE will keep their promises though they make many, regardless of party. People don't vote for who's the best person for the job anymore, they vote for the lesser of the two evils.

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Oh my goodness, JFK was a Republican? Reagan was for gun control? I really need to brush up on my history.
As some of you have suggested, anyone that is a true hard core conservative should have a candidate to vote for. Anyone that is a hard core liberal/socialist should have a candidate to vote for. Everyone else that is in the middle should have a candidate to vote for. It sounds to me like everyone agrees that we need three distinct parties with their own candidate. The Federalist Party sounds better to me that The Liberalist Party. Actually, The Moderate Party sounds the best.

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Oh my goodness, JFK was a Republican? Reagan was for gun control? I really need to brush up on my history.

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You really need to quit throwing softballs over the plate so I can quit agreeing with you that you don't know history.

Can you name anything of significance regarding gun control during Reagan's presidency?

Can you name a significant gun rights legislation that was signed by Reagan during his presidency? I can. ....some criticized a late amendment on fully automatic weapons slipped in by a Democrat.


Reagan did support both the Brady Bill, and an assault weapons ban after he was president.

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Oh my goodness, you asked and answered your own question.


And I was just trying to learn from that guy from WV. I guess that I had better check my sources better. But from what you say, Reagan is starting to sound a little more Moderate. He also sounds like a guy that changed his mind quite a few times in his life. That doesn't sound very unyielding to me.

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Oh my goodness, you asked and answered your own question.


And I was just trying to learn from that guy from WV. I guess that I had better check my sources better.

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.... I guess getting shot and suffering from the onset of Alzheimer's can cause a few misgivings that a man can be given a pass on......

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I am certainly no Reagan but I have been stabbed before and my wife says that I have early onset Alzheimer's. I know that my memory is gone on some things and my reasoning is a little fuzzy sometimes. Maybe you should give me a pass on a few things.

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I am certainly no Reagan but I have been stabbed before and my wife says that I have early onset Alzheimer's. I know that my memory is gone on some things and my reasoning is a little fuzzy sometimes. Maybe you should give me a pass on a few things.

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I am just a poor Ol' long haired country boy trying to survive in this cold, cruel world. We didn't get out into the "outside world" much. What I learned was from my Dad and Grandpaw. We also didn't have a TV until I was grown and for shore didn't know what an interweb was. And they didn't even deliver a newspaper where I was raised. You had to go to town to the barbershop to hear the "news". So my knowledge of "history" is pretty limited.

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I am just a poor Ol' long haired country boy trying to survive in this cold, cruel world. We didn't get out into the "outside world" much. What I learned was from my Dad and Grandpaw. We also didn't have a TV until I was grown and for shore didn't know what an interweb was. And they didn't even deliver a newspaper where I was raised. You had to go to town to the barbershop to hear the "news". So my knowledge of "history" is pretty limited.

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I heard them talking about him on TV a couple of days ago. I have a big one now but I have to rely on "the liberal media" for my news. Thay said that he was "Presidential" and that Nancy was a true "First Lady".
But the times have changed. I think that we might need a loud mouthed rednecked President now who is not afraid to raise his voice or speak his mind. Do we want an Armani wearing, soft spoken pushover that "just wants to get along"? Or do we want a J.C Penney wearing, loud mouthed redneck that is not afraid to fight for what he believes in. Maybe we need another Teddy Roosevelt. (One of you history buffs might get me on that one, but that is what I remember.) Maybe we need our own Kruschev to take his shoe off and bang on a few tables. Do we want a Dwight Eisenhour or a George Patton? (Again I might get a little history lesson here.)

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Thats exactly what we need. If we had a confederate states of america again lol. I think the northern folk and city folk dont think or act like we do. I can see it moving in all around me. Ive had to cuss a few of em and would have whooped 2 or 3 if theyd have kept running that mouth BUT I can get along with most folks to. Its just some of em get in my last nerve. Im gonna have to move off from here where I am and have lived my whole life. May as well move into the whitehouse

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Thats exactly what we need. If we had a confederate states of america again lol. I think the northern folk and city folk dont think or act like we do. I can see it moving in all around me. Ive had to cuss a few of em and would have whooped 2 or 3 if theyd have kept running that mouth BUT I can get along with most folks to. Its just some of em get in my last nerve. Im gonna have to move off from here where I am and have lived my whole life. May as well move into the whitehouse

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Are you trying to say that there are plenty of Northerners who are going to vote for Trump? Didn't he get the nomination in the Southern States? The midwestern and Texas cowboys and a couple of Yankees are the ones that voted for Cruz. Now that is according to my liberal media TV. It also said that the states with a caucus are the ones that pledged their delegates to Cruz. The liberal media said that it was something about the caucuses requiring a lot of "organization" unlike the Southern states where you have a secret ballot. But I have since learned from this message board that Trump won in the Southern voting states because a lot of so called Democrats voted for him. It sometimes gets confusing. I don't know whether to believe the "liberal" media or the "experts" on this message board.

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There's lot of history to learn and you have the web at your finger tips. For instance, did you know that JFK and Nixon were actually really good friends? JFK made the statement that if the DNC put Johnson as the 1960 nominee for President, he would put all his support behind Nixon in the general election. Read a little and learn Richard. Don't be led by the nose by a political party.

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Are you trying to say that there are plenty of Northerners who are going to vote for Trump? Didn't he get the nomination in the Southern States? The midwestern and Texas cowboys and a couple of Yankees are the ones that voted for Cruz. Now that is according to my liberal media TV. It also said that the states with a caucus are the ones that pledged their delegates to Cruz. The liberal media said that it was something about the caucuses requiring a lot of "organization" unlike the Southern states where you have a secret ballot. But I have since learned from this message board that Trump won in the Southern voting states because a lot of so called Democrats voted for him. It sometimes gets confusing. I don't know whether to believe the "liberal" media or the "experts" on this message board.

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There's lot of history to learn and you have the web at your finger tips. For instance, did you know that JFK and Nixon were actually really good friends? JFK made the statement that if the DNC put Johnson as the 1960 nominee for President, he would put all his support behind Nixon in the general election. Read a little and learn Richard. Don't be led by the nose by a political party.

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Nixon.....foreign affairs???? Isn't he the one that got us into that Vietnam mess? Or am I historically illiterate again?

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Nixon.....foreign affairs???? Isn't he the one that got us into that Vietnam mess? Or am I historically illiterate again?

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There's lot of history to learn and you have the web at your finger tips. For instance, did you know that JFK and Nixon were actually really good friends? JFK made the statement that if the DNC put Johnson as the 1960 nominee for President, he would put all his support behind Nixon in the general election. Read a little and learn Richard. Don't be led by the nose by a political party.

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Oh my goodness, so things haven't really changed that much, only the names. I really am learning a lot from the interweb.

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No, I'm going to soon just stop responding. Was already in place under JFK, was escalated considerably under Johnson, then Nixon campaigned on getting it ended. Everybody failed miserably, but Nixon certainly wasn't the one that got us into that mess.

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Was Nixon a conservative? Was Johnson a conservative? Or were they liberals? What was Teddy Roosevelt? Didn't they call him a "Rough Rider" and didn't he go around shooting/killing wild animals? Didn't he get his picture taken all of the time holding or wearing a gun of some sort? How in the world did he ever get elected?

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Is Michigan a Northern state or a Midwestern state? I heard one of those liberal media reporters refer to Michigan as a Midwestern state the other night.

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I have an idea. Lets all start continually posting statements as rhetorical questions, that we really neither want nor need an answer to in our own minds.

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OK, I will repost it so that maybe it is not so rhetorical. (I think. I don't really know exactly what "rhetorical" means.)
Do the people in Michigan consider themselves a "Northern State" or a "Midwestern State". I have always thought of them as a "Northern State" but I can see where they might be considered a "Midwestern State". I mean they aren't in the Northeastern tip but they aren't in the central part either. I have always wondered about Wisconsin also. They are kinda like Texas. Texas isn't really a "Southern State" but it isn't really a "Midwestern State" either. I think that Texas is usually just considered "Texas", though. They are big enough to stand alone and usually do.

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