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Richard , who say's I don't already have a new list.
How about a list of females that have the most title dogs in second and third generations. HMMMM
So who's the best grandma and greatgrandma's

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QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

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Richard , who say's I don't already have a new list.
So who's the best grandma and greatgrandma's

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Now that would be a neat list. I would love to see that.

Cookie and Kate would have to be at or very near the top and so would Bell and Raven. It would certainanly be an "interesting" list.

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Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
Grnitech 'Pr' Wapsi River Cookie who produced, Grnitech 'Pr' Nighty Night Moonlight Kate who produced, Grnitech 'Pr' Moonlight Pepper Ann who produced, Grnitech 'Pr' Nighty Night Amber who produced, Grnitech 'Pr' Outlaw Billie Jean who produced, Grnitech 'Pr' All Grand Outlaw G-Man 😊 seems like a strong line of females there 😉

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Originally posted by oklared
BOMBER = GOOD FEMALES

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I believe this is correct as well. Now, Bomber x What?

Good discussion and here is one of my favorite pics of what sticking to a plan of good females can do for a guy.

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Funny. I thought G-Man was a dude. lol

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Oh my goodness, what a great picture. I have always liked that one. They say that one picture is worth a thousand words.

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What about Nt Ch Muddy Creek High Test Heidi? She produced Gr Nt Smith's Banjo Cat. Heidi is out of Bunch's Flat Woods Hawk X Butternut Creek Red Shady Lady. Does anyone know who they are out of?

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Guess. my question was dumb?

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Here is a little of that "research" that Mr Marshall alluded to. Mr Solberg was also a fan of line breeding. As you can see they used a lot of line breeding back then to get those top foundation females. That is what I learned from Mr Marshall and stored away in my little pea brain.
............................Sam
....................Rusty Red
.................................................Chief
......................................Thunder
...................................................Kate
.............................Lulu
.................................................Chief
........................................Cricket
...................................................Lady
...........Bomber
....................................................Ace
........................................Bone Chopper
.....................................................Kate
...............................Smith's Red Rowdy
.........................................Tuffie
....................Hoff's Lil Sis
..........................................Chief
...............................Brandy
...........................................Kate

T-Top Raven
Bomber's Red Wire

....................Rusty Red
............Bell
.....................Brandy

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Maybe Mr Marshall can show us how Wapsie River Cookie fits in with this discussion. And it is interesting to note that Gr Nt Willow(Rabble X Sally) was just bred to Gr Nt Billy the Kid who was a great grandpup of TC on the top and Ace on the bottom. So BTK is very linebred/inbred TC since Ace is also inbred TC. It just goes round and round in a circle if you research it as Mr Marshall has done.

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Richard , Bunch's Flatwoods Hawk was out of Gorhams Twin Oak Long Tall Sally . Sally is Heidi's grandma. The same Sally was also the Grandmother of a dog named Sawblade Fiddle Hmmmmmm.

.........Hoffmeister's RustY Red
...Bunch's Flatwoods Hawk
.........Gorham's Twin Oaks Long Tall Sally

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GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

From a small kennel with Big results.

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.....Billy the kid
Cookie
.......Smiths red rowdy
..Cheyenne
........chief bred female

.....smiths red rowdy
...Mandy
.....chief bred female

.....smiths red rowdy
..sis
...... Chief bred female


Just how many good females do you all think goes back to these three sisters in the timber and the breeding

And don't for get the best red male I ever seen go was off raddlin kid (full brother of btk) and a daughter of rowdy and chief bred female

This stuff has proven to cross very well on timber jack bred dogs

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Oh my goodness, it just goes round and round and round. Now what happens when you breed those Fiddle females to Big Red Jim?
Or if you take one of my Jim X Wendy females and breed her to a Moonlight male?
Or if someone bred Gr Nt Smith's Banjo Cat to one of those Moonlight studs?
Or what if someone bred one of those Sawblade females (like Fixin) to Gr Nt Boone?
Or when they bred Gr Nt Willow to Gr Nt Billy The Kid?

Would these be outcrosses or would they really be just more linebreeding?

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What has the Steve-O and Chilli cross thrown for females? I have seen Flow and she could be the foundation for any mans kennel.
How many good females out of Twister x Music. I know that cross had some great males come out of it, but how about the ladies?

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What did Music's pedigree look like? What does Steve-O's pedigree look like? I tried to breed my Long Tall Sally to Steve-O once when she was older but she did not take. Another one of my many mistakes/misfortunes. That should have been an excellant cross. I don't have Pearl's pedigree here since I sold her.
And surely there are more females out there that we could/should be looking at. I don't think that they all can be Rusty/Chief/Ace/TC bred.

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Corey, what about Pebbles? Isn't her Dam a full sister to Music? What does "Yellow River" Rocky's pedigree look like? What does Josey's pedigree look like?

What about Scott Perkey's Sierra? What does her extended pedigree look like?

I have a lot more questions than I have answers. Where is Danny Mc? I bet he has a lot of the answers.

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look what females that are coming out of Keith's toadie female,watch in the next year

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Maybe Mr Marshall can show us how Wapsie River Cookie fits in with this discussion. And it is interesting to note that Gr Nt Willow(Rabble X Sally) was just bred to Gr Nt Billy the Kid who was a great grandpup of TC on the top and Ace on the bottom. So BTK is very linebred/inbred TC since Ace is also inbred TC. It just goes round and round in a circle if you research it as Mr Marshall has done.

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Moonlight Kate has Timber Chopper over 22 times:

BTK was out of Outlaw Jessie x Burning Ben. Jessie was a great grandpup of TC through her mom Bear Creek Ruby who was out of Coffman's Joe (son of TC). Burning Ben was out of Miller's Betsy who was out of Ace (grandson of TC x2) and Famous Amos (grandson of TC and great grandson of TC x2). So BTK was a great great grandson of TC top and bottom and had TC at least 6 times not counting any TC in Red Oak Mike's pedigree. Cookie was a daughter of BTK and a Henning's Chief daughter so it brought in Ace twice through Betsy and Henning's Chief. She had TC 8x.

Ratt was a heavy linebred TC dog as well that goes back to our stuff. His dad Burning Bed listed above was bred to a female named Timber Rose out of Timber Jack x Bosley's Kate. Kate was a half sister to Timber Jack's mom with the same type of breeding (Both out of Redmond's Queen - inbred TC x2) and Bower's Timber Hawk out of Timber Scanning Radar and a TC daughter. Bosley's Kate was TC 4x. Breeding her back to TJ brought in TC 9x. Ratt had TC 14x.

Ratt x Cookie = TC 22x = Moonlight Kate!

When a female has that much concentrated TC blood in her, it's not hard to see why she reproduced the way she did.

The cross of Breeanna (2x Kate) x Jet (1x Kate)= 3x Kate, and 70x Timber Chopper. Breeding back to G-Man (30x TC) creates offspring with 100x TC. This is going to create a popcorn popper effect!

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Corey, what about Pebbles? Isn't her Dam a full sister to Music? What does "Yellow River" Rocky's pedigree look like? What does Josey's pedigree look like?

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You are kind of right Richard Pebble's dam was GRNTCH Nighty Nite Josey. Josey and Music would have been half sisters, with both females being sired by GRNTCH Yellow River Red Rocky. The interesting thing about that is that Josey's dam and Music's dam would have been littermate sisters (Sweet Magnolia Maggie and Red Sunset Red Roxy). So I guess in a sense, Music and Josey were kind of "sisters".

--------------- Melton's Big Red
---------- GRNTCH Melton's Red Fireball
--------------- Millsap's Red Sussie
----- CH GRNTCH Yellow River Red Rocky
--------------- NTCH GRCH Bachelder's Red Rooster
---------- Bachelder's Red Flame
--------------- Pierce's Red Tess
GRNTCH Nighty Nite Josey
--------------- Aslin's Pedro Red Clyde
---------- Big Valley Red Sam
--------------- Montague's Red Fever II
----- CH Red Sunset Red Roxy
--------------- NTCH CH Pierce's Mich Red Toby
---------- Big Valley Red Wrinkles
--------------- CH Red Sunset's Rio Grand

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Wasn't Pierce's Red Tess directly out of Haye's Ramblin Red Ace?
Who is Bachelder's Red Rooster out of?

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I don't know but from this it looks to me like Outlaw, Moonlight, T-Top, Rambling Red and Hoffmeister are all really just different "branches" of the Timber Chopper line. It is amazing how many good solid branches of this tree grew from just one trunk. And when you breed these branches together, you think that you are outcrossing but are you really?

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Wasn't Pierce's Red Tess directly out of Haye's Ramblin Red Ace?
Who is Bachelder's Red Rooster out of?

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(Tess was not a PR hound)
***Ch GrNiteCh Pr Hunters Timber Chopper
**NiteCh Pr Bakers Rip
***NiteCh Pr Willigman's Red Snuffy
*GrNiteCh Pr Ramblin Red Ace
***GrNiteCh Pr Whitworths Rock Creek Red
**Pr Maddox's Daisy Mae
***NiteCh Pr Maddox Red Flame

Pierce's Red Tess

***Edelhaus Loinheart
**Edelhaus Hard Cash
***Edelhaus Blu Angel
*Anderson's Crazy Babe
***Benmars Shadytown Braveheart
**Edelhaus Cosmic Maya
***Absolute's Causing Storm

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***Pr Snell Red Ranger
**Pr Springsteen's Red Rip
***Pr Blakesleys Hor. Maggie
*Ch Pr Springsteen's Red Rat
***Twin Creek Amos
**Pr Springsteen's Red Ruby
***Pr Goodrich Taffy

NiteCh GrCh Pr Bachelder's Red Rooster

***NiteCh Pr Bruces Pokey Bill
**GrNiteCh Pr Bruces Poley Bill Jr.
***Ch GrNiteCh Pr Bruces Pretty Polly
*Pr Springsteens' Red Robin (sp?)
***Pr Blakesleys Northern Todd
**Ch Pr Blakesleys Red Lady
***Pr Blakesleys Northern Lindy

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Richard , who say's I don't already have a new list.

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What a tease. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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So how many "tree trunks" are there out there? Is/was the Blakesly line a completely separate trunk? Did it continue on or was it pruned so much that it was all branches and looked like a bush? How about the Fireball line? Where are all of those Fireballers that used to be around? I haven't seen/heard anything from them in this discussion. Just how many trunks are there? Surely Max Hunter's TC is not the only one.

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I'm gonna call this post officially de-railed.

By all means, feel free to carry on with your chicken or egg discussion about a dog that has been dead for 200 years...again....

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