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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
When this thread was started, I was sure the roots of it were based from sarcasm & it was pretty much more of a joke than a serious thing. I did not expect for it to evolve into what it has. I am surprised at some of the dialog that is being shared. I thought the days of a high percentage of dogs that wouldn't hold pressure were pretty much behind, & now days, a dog that would not hold pressure was pretty much in the minority. I guess I am out in left field again 
From my little corner of the world, the few hunts I have attended as of late have been elimination style, with the $HKC variety making up the majority of them. In these hunts, if you don't have a hound that will hold pressure, you are wasting money & spitting in the wind if you think you can consistently win a cast. You must have a hound that will be by itself more often than not, it must have an above average mouth, it must be a very accurate one bark locator, MUST STAY PUT, & must be QUICK about what it does. It also MUST GO HARD OFF A RECAST & get its own thing, it cannot cover another hound treed off a recast or you won't be racking any points & will fall behind fast. All of the casts I have been on hunted the same spot for the duration of the hunt. It was rare to have multiple dogs on a tree, & after the first dump, you were recasting & striking back in for a quarter the rest of the night, so having a coon to look at when a hound gets treed is essential.
Holding pressure has not been an area lacking in the hounds that have made up these casts. From what I have witnessed, accuracy has been the main area in which more dogs may be a little short. Also, going hard off the recast is another area in which some (minority) of the dogs were short. The caliber of hounds drawn in these casts has been the best I have ever been a part of. More often than not, the winner is decided in the last minutes of the hunt. For around my area, if you want to check the oil on what is on the end of your lead strap, these are the hunts which will allow you to do so. If you were feeling good about what you were hunting, after one of these casts a person will remember what the taste of that humble pie is like
hat creek, Jeff, & Ron ... I am in full agreement with the seeing is believing theory. There is no better substitute!
This is so true and why I get bent out of shape from time to time when I read posts on here and face book, by people that believe there are lots of titled dogs that can't tree their own coon-get off the computer and in the hunts and you will see exactly what Vic writes about-dogs split treeing their own coon all over the place! Now to the original question, no I won't breed a female that won't stay treed and I mean stay treed through all kinds of pressure. But I did once years ago, so I guess I have to say everybody is entitled to a mistake before they learn. Had a little track driving female that just wouldn't stay hooked, but she had a litter mate brother that was a super tree dog, so we bred her and we got track driving pups that wouldn't stay hooked! The tree in dogs has came a long way since then though and yes in some cases it has come too far! But to breed a female that is not a solid get treed stay treed cooner in this age where there is little market for pups and solid dogs not being bred just due to that fact, is not excusable, but it certainly is being done. I had a guy contact me a few years back with a "great" deal. He wanted me to take this female, raise a litter of pups off her and Piazon, then keep her and just send him back a pair of pups. He went on and on about her pedigree. When I finally got a chance to talk I asked him what she was like in the woods and he said well I never could get her to tree a coon but with a pedigree like hers I'm sure she will reproduce! I told him sorry I wasn't interested in breeding females that don't tree coon and he said he would find someone who appreciated her pedigree and sure enough a few months later I saw a post on here for a litter of pups from this female and a stud owned by a stud owner I won't name, so sure enough it wasn't hard for him to find someone to take his deal and sure enough this mentality is why we don't have more advancement in this breed in my opinion.
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2 time world finalist, 10th overall and high scoring Bluetick of the 2010 UKC World Coonhound Championship
NASHOBA VALLEY PIAZON, (RIP)
his littermate brother
UKC NT CH SHEPPARDS NORTHERN
BLUE LONER (RIP)
UKC GR NT CH RATTLERS BLUE SKY (RIP)
UKC Gr NT CH, PKC Ch Sheppard's Northern Blue Abbie, (PiazonxSky) UKC GR NT CH 'pr' Sheppards Northern Blue Punkin (PiazonXAlice) High scoring Bluetick of the 2015 (50th anniversary) Grand American, 2017 National Grand Nite Champion of breed, 2017 BBOA zone 4 Nite hunt dog of the year. Queen of hunt on 2019 Grand National Bluetick Reunion, 5th place and High Scoring Bluetick of 2019 UKC world Nite hunt Championship, 2019 Triple Crown Winner.
UKC GR NT CH 'pr' Mckintosh's Blue Flame Chopper
Gr Nt Ch Sheppards Northern Blue Goomba (Piazon X Dizzie) 14th place 2017 UKC world coon hound championship 100 purina point cast wins in 2018
and several other blueticks of lesser accomplishments 
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