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What does the performance system pay out to a guy who finish's a dog to grand in just 1 summer ? Is all the performance program is for is all the big stud dog owners to make $ off the pups they sired isnt it ?? I didnt see this performance system back in the old dsys so since getting back in not really sure how it works.

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It works off the points a dog gets and how many competed in the hunt. So the more hounds you beat. The more point value you earn but it has no age limit. Once your in. Your in. Its a decent thing but ukc needs a pup program for young hounds only. The payout would stay higher I think. Plus you can still continue the pp..

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Thanks for that imfo DAWG

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A 2 dog hunt give .2 points , 3 dogs= .3 , 4 dog= .4, and so on up to 20 dogs = 2 points. 2 points is the maximum a dog can receive in one hunt. The payout right now is $113 per point.these points are for 1 st place. As the number of dogs go up, you may receive points for second and third also

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It's very eye opening when I had a RQE 50 minutes from my house with only 10 dogs. And I know of 50 plus hunters within a 75 mile radius of that club. On the flip side the following Friday 60$ double header had 21 early and 18 late... That tells me one of two things people will travel for a money hunt if they have a chance to double it. And the general consensus that I get from hunters around me is why chase a paper slip, piece of wood or trophy. This is a quote from a respected hunter " why drive 1hr or 2 hrs just for a title on a dog for some joe blow to come breed to. I have seen more junk GRNTCH dogs the past 15yrs than I have 40yrs of hunting."

I see UKC kinda like Home Depot/Lowes. UKC is all for the stud dog program and really trying to campaign a dog. Home Depot is directed towards a contractor base clientele and Lowes is directed more towards DIY. The other KC's is all about the mighty $$$$$$. That's what they directed there program towards.

I will hunt UKC until I get a dog to NTCH after that I'm done. I move on to the other two. To be honest i hunt against way better quality dogs in the others KC's

So to really sum this question up. Do I really think UKC will or even think about weekday or weekend money hunts? No I do not. It will get them out of there traditional structure of them making almost 100% profit off of the hunter. That's why they have become a multi million dollar organization. To be honest UKC is a stingy organization. Rarely gives anything back. Just performance and what triple crown winner?

I really applauded UKC for making a Coonhunter drive 12+ hrs sometimes and spend 2k on trip for a pic and slip only if you score high enough to get that so called luxury. It's really brilliant how they really sucked guys/gals into doing that. Not bashing just stateing my general opinions.

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Bluetick,such true words. I like the title. I will grand one if I like it then done. UKC has NO INCENTIVE to hunt a dog after GrNt other than few big hunts. You normally have to score high to place and most will never score enough to get win. ELIMINATION HUNTS AT THE BIG HUNTS FOR GRNT IS GOOD IDEA. THATS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY,LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY

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Bluetick73 I agree

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Bluetick,such true words. I like the title. I will grand one if I like it then done. UKC has NO INCENTIVE to hunt a dog after GrNt other than few big hunts. You normally have to score high to place and most will never score enough to get win. ELIMINATION HUNTS AT THE BIG HUNTS FOR GRNT IS GOOD IDEA. THATS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY,LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY

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I think there may also be another factor involved with low entry numbers, and I don't know how to fix it: too many of our hunters are now older, & in poor or marginal health. Some feel they are not "up to" competition hunting any more, though they still come to the clubs to visit, or meet up with someone to go pleasure hunting instead of going on the Nite Hunt.

We do not see very many young hunters coming up to "replace" the older ones, and the result is a net loss to the sport in general.

Some of us were talking about this situation recently, & where we used to have anywhere from 50-70 entries on a typical Nite Hunt, we now feel very lucky if we have at least 10-12.

The kids nowadays are just not "into" hunting, breeding animals, or even taking care of them like they used to be, even twenty years ago. Entries are also way down at most of the 4-H Fairs across our state. When you talk to their parents, they are disappointed in the fact that their kids don't even like to go outside to "play" any more, even in safe neighborhoods. How many of today's kids have climbed a tree, much less gone "pollywoggin" ?

Hunting with dogs is a wonderful sport / hobby, but for the past 20+ years, the HSUS has been doing a lot of work in elementary schools all across this country, providing their usual propaganda, & I believe it really IS having a negative impact on all aspects of keeping & breeding animals, whether it is hunting dogs or livestock. This, in turn, adversely affects the number of future coonhunters & club members.

Today's kids are not outside with their friends; they are sitting in their rooms, texting each other, or playing games on their laptops...

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I think there may also be another factor involved with low entry numbers, and I don't know how to fix it: too many of our hunters are now older, & in poor or marginal health. Some feel they are not "up to" competition hunting any more, though they still come to the clubs to visit, or meet up with someone to go pleasure hunting instead of going on the Nite Hunt.

We do not see very many young hunters coming up to "replace" the older ones, and the result is a net loss to the sport in general.

Some of us were talking about this situation recently, & where we used to have anywhere from 50-70 entries on a typical Nite Hunt, we now feel very lucky if we have at least 10-12.

The kids nowadays are just not "into" hunting, breeding animals, or even taking care of them like they used to be, even twenty years ago. Entries are also way down at most of the 4-H Fairs across our state. When you talk to their parents, they are disappointed in the fact that their kids don't even like to go outside to "play" any more, even in safe neighborhoods. How many of today's kids have climbed a tree, much less gone "pollywoggin" ?

Hunting with dogs is a wonderful sport / hobby, but for the past 20+ years, the HSUS has been doing a lot of work in elementary schools all across this country, providing their usual propaganda, & I believe it really IS having a negative impact on all aspects of keeping & breeding animals, whether it is hunting dogs or livestock. This, in turn, adversely affects the number of future coonhunters & club members.

Today's kids are not outside with their friends; they are sitting in their rooms, texting each other, or playing games on their laptops...

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We giving away free food at ours tonight but ckub only 70 miles away giving a garmin away. LOL. Thats a real battle. Right? To many clubs and hunts is one problem.

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I have been comp hunting for better then 30 years now. I keep hearing of 50 to 70 dogs at a regular night hunt. Where were you guys hunting? The entries are down but not by 30 to 50 dogs a hunt. I would be willing to bet that what we are seeing is because of hunt saturation. Think of it like this, 20 years ago there was a hunt on Friday or Saturday night in your area and there would not be another one for a few months. Now I can go 6 nights a week within a little more than an hour from my house. Guess what happens with this. We get spread out, each hunt draws a few of the locals and that is it. 3 main registries to hunt and one of them has a hunt somewhere every night. To many registries and too many hunts equals low turnouts at each individual hunt but probably pretty close to the same amount of dogs if they were all added together and averaged out.

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I believe UKC should just keep on what they are doing cause it suits how there organization is structured. I've seen the past year people want this and that out of UKC. Here is a question I have had for a few. Why not venture out to $kc or C$kc? You have two to pick from. Trying something new. Is it cause 1 hr hunts, circle/minus wins or the weekdays? Just what I ask fellow die hard UKC guys. I bet 20%-30% of this forum have never ventured out of UKC if not more.

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Too many hunts. Quite a few young guys/teenagers hunt around here. Back last year during kill season they were meeting in wal-mart parking lot and pairing up in teams of two and throwing 20 bucks in the pot and holding poundage hunts. No clubs involved, and most all want nothing to do with an oranized hunt like ukc, pkc, etc. I heard some nights it was as many 20-30 showing up.

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I don't know the answer ---but one thing for sure U can't keeps the lights on and the heat bill paid by holding other KC'S hunts --if it wasn't for UKC hunts the clubs wouldn't be anymore --U would be hunting out of vacant filling stations or from behind the barn

yes we need some changes

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Try giving away what kids now a days r into....iphones, laptops,ipads, etc....just thinking outside the "box".
I don't think it's wise to use today's technology as an xcuse or against this generation of kids. Even we as adults benefit from todays tech.
If a kid had its choice between an iPhone,laptop,ipad,or an alpha100....which do u think he/she would chose?

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How many people do you guys suppose discovered this board and tried to glean some insight into the hunts from here before giving the hunts a try? Those that did probably chose to just keep pleasure hunting instead of subjecting themselves to all the "cheating and garbage dogs at the hunts" I'm sure not saying we're the whole problem but honest to god guys we sure aren't helping the situation here on this board. Just set back and think some time just how much doom & gloom you read on here compared to positive threads. When was the last time you saw somebody just mention that they attended a hunt and had a really good time? On the rare occasion that does happen somebody will step in there withing the 1st few posts and try to turn it into another rant about automatic strike dogs, slick treeing idiots, or how worthless the titles are today. The pot at the end of the hunt is not the problem. Pride in our sport and how we conduct ourselves is. IMO

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I think it all boils down to Fur prices, that might sound funny but when fur was high back in the 70s and 80s lots of guys took up the sport and maybe one in ten really got hooked on following hounds and competing in the hunts, thats the old guys of today that you see sittin around the clubhouse.
Allow for inflation and those 30 dollar coon we harvested back then would be 60 dollar coon today, and the woods would be filled with kids and dogs and that one kid in 10 that really gets hooked would become that next generation to show up at the hunts. Most of the younger guys i see at the hunts today are only there because dad or grandad was a hide hunter that dragged them along.
If hide prices went back up where they should be, in a couple years you would see those 30 dog club hunts again,probably not gonna happen.

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When I first started in the hunts wife's cooking, kids playing, men visiting playing dominoes ect ! Full day of fun for the whole family !! ( that's why the numbers was up ) now men don't want they're family with them they want to show up 10 minutes before draw out and growl at each other till they go home and forget about getting them to help clean up they won't even throw away they're spit cup when they leave jmo !!!!

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Too many night hunts scheduled is my opinion on why numbers are down at hunts....i can go to one every weekend within 40 minutes of my house.

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I read on here from guys that run ukc down all the time but do they realize this is a ukc forum if they don't like ukc stop moaning and groaning about ukc and go to the pkc forum. Don't no about everybody else but I'm getting tired of hearing all that crap. If u don't like ukc don't go to them.im not being smart mouth but it's true. It's like if people don't like strip clubs don't go in. Rite or rite.

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I read on here from guys that run ukc down all the time but do they realize this is a ukc forum if they don't like ukc stop moaning and groaning about ukc and go to the pkc forum. Don't no about everybody else but I'm getting tired of hearing all that crap. If u don't like ukc don't go to them.im not being smart mouth but it's true. It's like if people don't like strip clubs don't go in. Rite or rite.

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I read on here from guys that run ukc down all the time but do they realize this is a ukc forum if they don't like ukc stop moaning and groaning about ukc and go to the pkc forum. Don't no about everybody else but I'm getting tired of hearing all that crap. If u don't like ukc don't go to them.im not being smart mouth but it's true. It's like if people don't like strip clubs don't go in. Rite or rite.

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Once upon a time I was a supervisor at a big govt contractor. They sent all the managers to seminars every time one was in the area. Most were not worth the time, but one stands out. This speaker claimed he would "show us how to be a better manager in 5 minutes" he went on to claim it would be the best advice we ever get.
The guy split everyone up into groups of 4 and told us to write down 5 things our previous supervisors did that we really liked and then 5 things they did we could not stand. Needless to say, all the groups came up with just about the same good and bad things. When every one was done the dude says, "simple...to be a better supervisor do the things you really liked for your employees and do not ever do the things you hated that was done to you."
It aint rocket science...sometimes we cant see the forest for the trees...

Bad things...

1. Poor judges
2. Guides with no coons
3. Poor MOH {cant make a decision/don't know the rules}
4. Bad food
5. Nepotism/not being treated like you belong/treated unfair/unfriendly people

Good things...
1. Good fair judges
2. Guides that know what they are doing and put us in coons
3. MOH that is fair and knows what he is doing
4. Good food
5. Nice trophies/friendly welcoming people

Remember...if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Many clubs cite the cost of putting on a good hunt and that is understandable. There are many things that can be done that don't cost a dime...say hello to that new guy that showed up you never seen before...take the time to explain to a young handler the rule he doesn't understand...don't burn the food...make sure the guides are the best you can send...have rules seminars for the club members so they are as up on the rules as they can be...have fresh coffee in time for the guys coming in...
If you think all this sounds like a lot, maybe it is. I remember a time when I was glad to get a guide that wasn't an alcoholic raging mad because he got stuck guiding and didn't get to hunt his grade dog.

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I know what turns them away. A man scores 1100+ to win a state hunt, forgets to put a + on one of the scores, and the moh tosses the card.

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