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I don't understand how you could assign tree points and then minus them to a dog that everyone agreed was not treeing? I mean if she had been treed in would they not have minused her tree points for not treeing? So how could they assign her tree points for not treeing but "being at the tree" and then minus them?

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Originally posted by brujan182
Dog is struck in. Is at slick not treeing when we get there. What happens to strike points. Minus, circle, delete.

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Doesn't appear moderator wants to touch this one. 3rd dog was also there, he had never barked at all. Can't find any thing under minused, delete or circled that applies.

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Originally posted by JiM
A dog handled at the tree when the cast arrives is considered treed, barking or not.

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Originally posted by B Thompson
I got this off the Advisor Q & A....Finally, we can also eliminate “treeing” because raring up and smelling is not considered “treeing” by any standards of treeing. Therefore, no harm no foul.

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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
I do not agree with B Thompson. Now lets kee in on two other words. Nite Champion, possum. Neither of these words were use in first post. so neither apply to this situation. First post is no where close to a scratch.
I do agree with JiM 4-K, Just my opinion.

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So there was another dog "at the tree but not treeing" that was also not struck in? Did they assign strike points and tree points to it and minus them for being "at the tree"

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Can't assign strike points. dog was shut out.

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And only one of those dogs is required to bark, the rest just have to be there.

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You can't minus a dog for quitting track if it is at the tree.

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I should have included that the judge is a master of hounds. But he could not show a rule that applied.

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You can't minus a dog for quitting track if it is at the tree.

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Well you're wrong on that one

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Well you're wrong on that one

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Originally posted by brujan182
Jims right that one definitely doesn't apply.

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What you do with the dog is handle it as the rule requires. Any dog at the tree must be handled. Now all that is left is to score that dogs strike points. If the tree is plussed, the strike is minused. If the tree is circled, the strike is circled. If the tree is minused, you must determine if 4-k applies.

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This is where we might need UKC to step in...the rule says "dogs at tree must be leashed" I agree, that sounds simple enough, but it has to first be decided what "dogs at tree" really means. I take that as dogs that were declared treed, and are in fact treeing when the judge arrives.
To argue the other way, why would you leash a dog that is: A. Not treeing B. Never declared treed and C. Simply near the area hanging around and D. Possibly going to get back on the track if left to do so. ?????
What if one of the dogs not declared treed and not seen to be treeing continues on track, swims the river and trees the coon on the other side??? I get that this didn't happen, but says UKC it is what should have happened. It didn't, so they get minus.

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I must be missing something..... where is the rule that says he can quit a track, not tree but be near a tree and not get minus?????

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Rule 4 J ...pg 54
If dog declared treed, after 5 min has elapsed no additional dog can be declared treed at that particular tree but if they come in to tree will get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen.

Rule 5 b...pg 54
No dog to recieve minus points for coming into tree after judge arrives unless a coon is seen and the dogs treeing are awarded plus points.

Rule 4 k..pg 54
Dogs treeing but not declared treed, when judge arrives will be minused on tree points on "off game" or slick tree. Points will be awarded by next available position in the case of one dog, or split available tree points in the case of two or more dogs.
I guess the only thing to debate here is whether dog was "treeing but not declared treed" and everyone said that dog was not treeing so what is there to argue about?

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Start the 8min on the dog not treeing but is struck in. He hasn't quit the track yet or slick treeing he is just trying to decide how to get across the river hahaha.

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Start the 8min on the dog not treeing but is struck in. He hasn't quit the track yet or slick treeing he is just trying to decide how to get across the river hahaha.

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Rule 4 J ...pg 54
If dog declared treed, after 5 min has elapsed no additional dog can be declared treed at that particular tree but if they come in to tree will get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen.

Rule 5 b...pg 54
No dog to recieve minus points for coming into tree after judge arrives unless a coon is seen and the dogs treeing are awarded plus points.

Rule 4 k..pg 54
Dogs treeing but not declared treed, when judge arrives will be minused on tree points on "off game" or slick tree. Points will be awarded by next available position in the case of one dog, or split available tree points in the case of two or more dogs.
I guess the only thing to debate here is whether dog was "treeing but not declared treed" and everyone said that dog was not treeing so what is there to argue about?

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dog should not have been there. - both ways.

at tree when cast arrived and handled.

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Msinc, what I am saying is, "I don't think that dog should have been awarded tree points and minused". As I have said before, everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to vote. Just like Mr Marv. But then, I hunt Redbones so no one ever pays any attention to my opinions anyway. That is why I give them out so readily.

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Dog can only be minused if coon is seen.What am i missing?

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Dog can only be minused if coon is seen.What am i missing?

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