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For example, instead of having two Good bluetick organizations, what would it look like if we had one Great organization? Instead of having two Good bluebooks, what would it look like if we had one Great bluebook? Hunts? Activities? Goals to help the sport of coonhunting, and the bluetick hound? Programs to get young people involved? What would it look like if our efforts were combined? Every year many have to make a choice...which one? People only have so much time, energy, and money, and that requires a decision for so many. It's like a kid having to choose between their mom or dad!! What if a kid could have their mom and dad....in the same house, without having to make a decision?

I'm thinking out loud. The Bible talks about "Old Men" dreaming dreams....maybe I am just dreaming (I qualify b/c I am old) .....if so.....I hope you can overlook me....without disliking me.

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If reading this thread has, in anyway, made you stop and think, and ask yourself, "How can we make it better," I am happy, even if you disagree with my thoughts, or don't understand what I'm trying to say.

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Hunting blue dogs doesn't necessarily mean we are united.

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Every person who hunts a blue dog has made a choice that is united/common with every other person who hunts a blue dog. Is this not true?

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I don't know about the jealously, criticism, or division among those who hunt different breeds; I only know about SOME of the divisions within the bluetick breed, because that's what I hunt.

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I think the same thing is being said in two different ways. What you interpret as division, may be interpreted simply as preference by others.

Beauty as well as ugliness is determined by the eye of the beholder. I would not label different preferences as division. I do think the expression of those preferences could be done in a more tactful manner at times

When all is said & done at the end of the day, which would you prefer, candor or sugar coating?

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This is getting too deep for me to comprehend, LOL. Guys and Gals, I look it maybe a little more simple. Agreed, we all hunt blue dogs and hopefully we like what we're hunting. I'm going to give an example here; a little more than 2,000 years ago, a man came on this earth and when he left it, he left an impression on a small group of followers that has grown to probably the largest single force in the world and it's still growing. But, even within our Christian world, there is division. Why, it is because of personnel preference. But one thing is common ground; all Christian people love the lord. My point is, we can all love our blueticks but there will always be a certain amount of division. But, Mr. Edwards, I do commend you for a valiant effort and I hope we all can see what you are trying to do and in some way better our breed.

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Vic, I think I really understand what you are saying, but two people can hunt the same breed...and not get along, or even dislike one another. Is that not true as well?

I do understand everyone haves their own preferences in a hounds breeding, size, looks in general, and even in the way we hunt...comp. vs. pleasure. For many, their pleasure is experienced in winning, and that's good too!!!

The problem arises when we criticize others b/c their preferences are not the same as ours. When we make our preferences the standards by which everyone else is judged, or when we try to make ourselves look big by trying to make someone else look small, and it does happens on a large scale. For example, I have criticized a certain strain b/c it's not what I prefer, but no more! If someone is breeding or/and hunting a blue that suits them.....that is wonderful. I don't have to like, or agree with their standard. If you succeed, or anyone succeeds, I shouldn't try to build myself up by tearing them down, or making accusations against them. I should be glad that blues are succeeding, it doesn't matter which kennel name they bear, or who gets the credit, or which blue organization they belong to.

I've rattled on, not just enough, but too much. I appreciate those who have taken their time to read, and comment. I like it when people shoot straight with me, and I don't have to agree in order to appreciate their realness. Real is good, even when I don't agree...real is always good!!!!

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Thanks Ron, and I loved your analogy. I'm not deep; most of the time I'm just stuck!!! haha!!

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I appreciate any good dog, but I appreciate it a little more if it's blue. Am I prejudice? I probably am, and can't help it. I have a special place, in my heart, for blue!! I also appreciate all of those who are involved, and working hard ( which is more than I can say for myself) to make things better. "Hats off" to all of you who give of your time, energy, and efforts, to make things better for us.

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Vic, I think I really understand what you are saying, but two people can hunt the same breed...and not get along, or even dislike one another. Is that not true as well?

I do understand everyone haves their own preferences in a hounds breeding, size, looks in general, and even in the way we hunt...comp. vs. pleasure. For many, their pleasure is experienced in winning, and that's good too!!!

The problem arises when we criticize others b/c their preferences are not the same as ours.

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I think it is important that everyone stick together as much as possible. Someone posted that a common thread was we all hunt blue dogs...you could really change the word blue to coon and that would/should still hold true.
I always speak to other coonhunters and it seems like they always are friendly and speak to me, even if it is just to say "hi, what kind of dog are you hunting??"
I believe that when we stick together it is easier to have a common goal...breeding the best dog we can and maybe even make the breed a little better.
I don't dislike anyone and I refuse to get a puppy based on some personal thing between me and the breeder. My only regret is that I don't have more time to try more puppies of different lines!!!
I don't always like what some people do with their dogs...an example would be that there was a guy 4 hours away and years ago that came to every hunt within about 5 hours and always put a dog in every hunt. He bragged about breeding his own line of dogs and having them go back 20 some odd years. Why he bred them is beyond me...I drew out with the guy probably a dozen times or so and never, not one time did any of the dogs he hunted get on a tree and make a bark. Not even a slick tree or a possum. About all I ever saw any of his dogs do was ghost trail, the entire hunt. And the guy was just like his dogs, he never shut his mouth either. The second his dog was unsnapped he was struck for 100, and he would usually go right on out of hearing, get lost and cause the guide to spend half the night trying to get the thing back.
Him and guys like him give our breed a bad name...truth known he coined the phrase "boooooo...tickin"
It was not unusual to hear back at the clubs others that were in his cast talking about how worthless and sorry blueticks were. That kind of talk around some young fellas and it didn't take them long to cross blueticks off their list of potential next dogs.

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I think all bluetick fanciers should be on the same team, with the main goal being the furtherance, and betterment of the bluetick breed...... with integrity. When you are on a team, it doesn't matter who hits the winning run, as long as your team wins. When the team wins, everyone wins!!!! There is no room for jealously on a team, and you never attack a team member; team members should work together, not against each other. Division without the breed can't hurt us, but when the bluetick breeders and fanciers are divided against bluetick breedeers and fanciers, we are in trouble. You don't have to agree with me, I'm just thinking out loud. Good hunting and God Bless

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Gentleman, I agree we can win and still be individual winners because of the breed of dog we hunt. When a Bluetick wins we all win !!!

Craig, I have to disagree with you that we would be a better organization by combining BBOA & BBCHA. We both have great Bluebooks, and both organizations have great events, making the 2 combine will not make that any better.

BBOA voted down the idea of combining the 2 organizations, and I've yet to see in writing or hear any major officer from BBCHA say they are for this, to the contrary I've been told by several members that this is not even something they would consider or want.

Both organizations have survived and in times have flourished through the years. Yes, bumps have been hit and taken in stride but always came out on top.

For some reason there are a few out there that think combining the 2 organizations will make this big ole breed club when in fact it won't.

BBCHA & BBOA each have a rich history, and following of devoted members, both organizations share (I would say) about a 65-70% dual membership and BBOA is UKC Chartered and BBCHA is an independent organization, free to follow and host any type of event it wishes.

What is so great about being an American and living in this great country is we can express our ideas even if we don't agree and better yet we can join and support any organization we wish to. I believe that things are just fine as they are with 2 organizations supporting the Bluetick Coonhound and will flourish with hard work and devotion to promoting, supporting and dedication by the members, officers and leadership of said organizations.

It's getting dark time to take the pup to the woods

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Mark, thanks for your input. I respect, and appreciate your words. You, I know, have worked hard, and invested a big part of your life into making things better.

The question, I have, has to do with flourishing. Whether both organizations have flourished would depend on your definition of "Flourish." I can't agree that things would better off like they are. Here in the south, there may be five Baptist churches on one, short street, and I am not exaggerating. I wonder sometimes if it would not be better, instead of having five small churches, to come together and form one strong church. Maybe you are right. Both organizations could be growing, and becoming stronger, and I hope you are. If the opposite is true, it would be better to unite. The problem in the church world is, most people had rather be a big part of something small, than a small part of something big.

Speaking of church and hunting, I just got in from church and it's time to go hunting. I just hope it turns out to be finding, and not just hunting!!!

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It is not my intention to offend, hurt, or criticize anyone, or either/any organization. If I have, I apologize, and promise....it was not my intention. Gone hunting.

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Man was i getting hot under the collar. I though you were talking about me and my pot lickers. Then i noticed your in Maryland and ive never been to a hunt there. So must be someone else.

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Man was i getting hot under the collar. I though you were talking about me and my pot lickers. Then i noticed your in Maryland and ive never been to a hunt there. So must be someone else.

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It's good to get input from all directions and great that we all can have a choice /or personal preference. The bottom line is : DONT BURN YOUR BRIDGES .We have 2 bridges, let those cross the bridge they want and come back across the bridge they want.Don't put us all on the same bridge.If it fails,it may cause irreversible havoc. Remember too, if there is only 1 bridge, soon it may become a toll bridge.Competition is good,and most people wouldn't like a monopoly,anyway. As the saying goes,"dont fix something that doesn't need fixed".jmo.......Dave

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Man was i getting hot under the collar. I though you were talking about me and my pot lickers. Then i noticed your in Maryland and ive never been to a hunt there. So must be someone else.

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It's good to get input from all directions and great that we all can have a choice /or personal preference. The bottom line is : DONT BURN YOUR BRIDGES .We have 2 bridges, let those cross the bridge they want and come back across the bridge they want.Don't put us all on the same bridge.If it fails,it may cause irreversible havoc. Remember too, if there is only 1 bridge, soon it may become a toll bridge.Competition is good,and most people wouldn't like a monopoly,anyway. As the saying goes,"dont fix something that doesn't need fixed".jmo.......Dave

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If Blueticks were number one in the UKC registry of hounds, then I would say don't fix it. There is a fine line between complacency and satisfaction. Again, I shouldn't even be talking about it....so I won't...I've said what I've said, and what I believe. I could be wrong b/c I have been before. Two times it think....no wait....maybe three!!! lol!!
If anyone has stopped to think, (on a large scale, not personal preferences) how can I make things better, I'm glad. I know I have. Many, (like me), are limited, but if all of us, (like me) would do what we can...it would be a good place to start. I am going to do more this year, supporting both associations, and hopefully when ad time comes around, I'll be able to do something then. I'm going to make as many hunts as my schedule will allow. Preaching the Gospel is my life and passion. My family is second, only to God, but I do love the sport of coonhunting, and I love Bluetick Hounds!!!! They have brought some wonderful people into my life!!!!

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Again, many thanks and much appreciation to everyone that took your valuable time to listen/respond to an old man ramble.

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