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Sounds to me like she's just barking to be barking at first. Then actually going on somewhere and treeing a coon. Coon dont just run across fields for the heck of it. Deer do. Id just have to see her in action in my woods to know.

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That's not the case, because she isn't getting struck right off the bat. And these fields are like 5-10 acre patches between 5-10 acre patches of woods, between 100's of acres of cut-over!

If they would just replace pine trees and tobacco with corn, it would feel just like home!

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You in flat land over there? Any armidillos?

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That's not the case, because she isn't getting struck right off the bat. And these fields are like 5-10 acre patches between 5-10 acre patches of woods, between 100's of acres of cut-over!

If they would just replace pine trees and tobacco with corn, it would feel just like home!

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Atleast she's not slick teeing. A lot of "tree minded" dogs move this way and start slickin. Fact is its harder Huntin here and she'll have to adjust. I know it's hard to believe but one coon treed in a hunt can usually win it around here.

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David, I don't live in NC but I do live in these hills of SE Ohio. Here it is not uncommon at all, to have coon that run 1/2 mile or more before they tree. The coon that travel that far are not dummies, therefore they know how to tap trees and twist in the brush to slow a hound down.

We do get pop up coon that tree in 200-400 yards but we also have the old residenters that are smart enough to throw a hound for a loop, even the good hounds will get tripped up from time to time here.

If you make three to five drops a night here you will usually hit one or two tracks that will cover that kind of distance.

Now three to five drops a night here will take 3 to 6 hours of hunting time. On average it take about 1 hour per drop per tree from the time you cut your hound till you get back to the truck for the next drop.

Now I have hunted a very few time in NC, but from what I saw, the coon down there are just a little tougher to tree than they are here in my neck of the woods. So hang in there and don't be too critical of that ole girl, as it sounds to me like she is doing pretty good for the change of terrain that you have put her in.

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No armadillos or fences. But she'll blow right over fences... she learned that up North.

Dennis - I'll keep an eye out for the corn, and let you know!

Dave - thanks for the insight. There's a lot of coon hunters around, and so the coon may be well trained!

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If your hunting around a lot of cutover then you are in a lot of fox's and also deer chances are. Im not saying that's what your dog is running, Im just saying that you are likely in a heavy populated place of those animals. Im from north Georgia also and its common in my hunting spots for my dog to end up treed a half a mile away. That's very common. But as far as why your dog is shutting up for 5 to 10 minutes, I cannot answer that one. But my question is - are you SURE shes shutting up or is she getting around the bend of a creek and on the other side of a hill ? Where I hunt , if the dog goes a certain direction and your standing in a certain place a LOUD tree dog may not be heard 350 yards away.

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probably just dryer on the hills or hillsides than near the creeks or hollows. Dogs can track better in the damp soil than in the dry soil or leaves. Maybe the fog has settled in the low spots and makes tracking hard. I've never hunted up north, but down here its normal for dogs to do what you are talking about, some spots dry quicker than other spots. The water problem can be bad too. My dogs do real good on dry ground, but when we go to the low country they can act stupid for a few nights. When they have to swim a track they still open, but get goofed up & slick tree. After 2 or 3 nights they start doing better. If they can walk thru the water they do fine, but swimming is a problem. I think your dog is fine, just has to ajust to different conditions.

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dave- its a lot different... .5 miles is about average for a place that isnt full of coons. sounds like she is hotong feeder tracks. they move before dark a lot of times here. ace seems to open a lot more in thick cover like blowdowns and cutover. once he gets in better woods and fields he opens less and moves more... if shes endin up with a coon shes probably doing it right. they gotta go down here buddy, and i know thats not a problem for old color.... yea and the coons know when u r hunting them here believe it or not... they change their patterns and times they move. they are actually quite smart

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its rolling hills and some flat land here... not so rolling that u cant hear a dog once it crosses a ridge. he knows his dog and what he is hearing. its just a different ball game and it sounds like she is adjusting pretty well

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Maybe she's crossing posted property when she goes silent. lol Just kidding. Couldn't help my self.

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The terrain here in southern Maryland is very similar to most of N.C. I can say that I agree with others in that around here it is rare that a coon doesn't go 1/2 mile or so. Sometimes they can do it rather quick.
In regards to the water thing, my experience has been that when a coon gets wet dogs have a harder time tracking it. I don't know why people say to wet a caged coon down for young dogs. It sure never worked for me. I think it makes it so a person can smell it more, but it might be overdoing it for a dog. One thing is for sure, if a coon gets all wet most dogs bog down. I have seen some that couldn't even run it, especially if there was some mud involved.
The other thing I will say is you are seeing something that me and a few others from around here have noticed. When you bring a dog from another area to this one, for some reason they do not hunt or act the same. I can't offer any reason that makes sense, but I know it is definitely a fact. There are two guys near here that don't care what it costs, they will buy it if it shows good in the woods. Both of them have experienced this with many dogs. They bought a lot of dogs from up north, Missouri and Indiana/Illinois. Go out there and try him, he does what the owner says and is awesome...bring him here and he falls apart. Some of these dogs picked up the pace and got it together, a few never did. We used to think it might be the different pollen, especially this time of the year.
I have personally never believed in the old switching tracks thing, just because the dogs we thought were doing that and really sounded and acted like they were proved different in the snow. I agree what you describe sounds a lot like the way a gray runs...they like to go to blow downs or snags in the woods to hang the dogs up, but most of the time they are making circles doing it. I doubt your dog is running off game.
As to the jumping bobcat...I had two dogs that did that on the same farm every time I hunted them there one summer many moons ago. Everyone told the often repeated jumping bobcat story...they tree real hard and when you get close he jumps out and runs again and will do it all night long...he sees your light and you can never keep him treed. That utterly ridiculous story is repeated so often and so many times that even the guys that really know better believe and repeat it themselves.
If you ever hunted bobcats with dogs you would know that this is just not true. What I found it to be was a big ole fat whitetail doe, She would get tired and bay up and the dogs were looking right at her screaming. She would of course take off when we got close. It took several hours, several "jump outs" and two Honda 3 wheelers to prove that, but prove it we did.
The one bobcat I have treed with dogs and killed ran just like a coon. He was up in a leaf covered tree and I finally caught an eye. When I shot expecting a coon to fall out a big bobcat fell out instead...he only treed once.
I guess it just sounds better when they say "my dog ran a bobcat the other night" than to admit "my dog runs deer."

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As to the jumping bobcat...I had two dogs that did that on the same farm every time I hunted them there one summer many moons ago. Everyone told the often repeated jumping bobcat story...they tree real hard and when you get close he jumps out and runs again and will do it all night long...he sees your light and you can never keep him treed. That utterly ridiculous story is repeated so often and so many times that even the guys that really know better believe and repeat it themselves.
If you ever hunted bobcats with dogs you would know that this is just not true. What I found it to be was a big ole fat whitetail doe, She would get tired and bay up and the dogs were looking right at her screaming. She would of course take off when we got close. It took several hours, several "jump outs" and two Honda 3 wheelers to prove that, but prove it we did.
The one bobcat I have treed with dogs and killed ran just like a coon. He was up in a leaf covered tree and I finally caught an eye. When I shot expecting a coon to fall out a big bobcat fell out instead...he only treed once.
I guess it just sounds better when they say "my dog ran a bobcat the other night" than to admit "my dog runs deer."

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We've been close and seen bobcats bail out. And you can usually here the limbs breaking when they come out. This happens mostly at nights. During the day they run further before going up but they don't bail out as often.

We have a lot of Bobcats where I'm at.

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How is it that a couple of coon dogs can run a deer so hard they can bay it up, but a pack of deer dogs never bay them up?

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You'd have to bring her to me for me to really analyse what's happening Id like to know why she's hushing to lol. You cutting her on creeks or dry hills?

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Im more interested in this deer baying thing LOL.

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Wow yawl done made this dog run Deer , Bobcat Fox , Armadillos ,and all the dog did was hush a few times on a track and tree a coon lol I mean Really !!

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I know without a doubt it wasn't a deer that my dogs were running, at the time there was NO deer where I was hunting.

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A lot of great ideas and insight... and some things I never even thought of before! A big thanks to everyone!

As the new guy, I don't have a lot of places to cut loose, but where I do, I try to send her into a creek bottom or along the river. But these are not great places... nothing like what blueherron has! The few spots I have are either the small sections that didn't get logged or a stand of trees and ridge line between cow pastures.

As I think about everyone's comments and ideas, as well as what I experienced the other night that prompted this post, she was opening in the woods and creek bottoms, and hushing up in the fields. And the fields are awfully dry. So maybe that explains it.

What was really blowing my mind was the distance she travelled. Even during the rut, up North, coon wouldn't cover this kind of ground. Most tracks, other than a zig-zag through a corn field, never lasted more than a few hundred yards! But if coon really do travel that far, to eat around here, then maybe she's doing exactly what she needs to!

Her other flaw is this over-driving need to get alone, so now she needs to learn to get a piece of other's coon, which may never happen, because that's not how she's wired. What that leads to, is her grubbing on tracks in the woods, while the other dogs are getting treed. So I wasn't having a lot of luck when hunting with the likes of blueherron and others. And I thought I wasn't having a lot of success by herself. But if she gets treed every time I turn loose and has A coon, maybe I need to redefine success!

Maybe I just need to start a coon farm, to raise em up and turn them loose!

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Well I am glad you figured out you got a good dog David after all this lol, if you get tired that track switchen , deer baying, armadillo chasing , bobcat treeing Coon dog let me know , if she can do all that and have a coon @ the end she's not bad in my book Good luck

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if your hunting down south, your not hunting feeders, and the dog is actually ending up treed with a coon in the tree. You got a good dog.

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