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Originally posted by Ed zachary
Strike points 0
Tree points 125, 0,0,0
Best dog wins every time, no circle, no minus, no time outs, no 5 min., 5 min shine time.

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Originally posted by Ed zachary
Strike points 0
Tree points 125, 0,0,0
Best dog wins every time, no circle, no minus, no time outs, no 5 min., 5 min shine time.

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No coon no points Bob, Sheeesh!

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Make strike 25 need to lose somethin for comin in or shutn up or comin in to tree after its dead with a coon

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150 first tree . Tree closed after 1 minute. Shouldn't a first tree be worth twice as much as a second tree .

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Strike points are a joke, that is no secret. Free points for loose mouth dogs.
Reward the dog that trees the coon first, ignore the rest. If you do anything that would get you minused with todays rules, you aren't gonna win anyway. Best dog wins, slick handlers go home, judges job easier, no whining.

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Originally posted by Ed zachary
Strike points are a joke, that is no secret. Free points for loose mouth dogs.
Reward the dog that trees the coon first, ignore the rest. If you do anything that would get you minused with todays rules, you aren't gonna win anyway. Best dog wins, slick handlers go home, judges job easier, no whining.

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I will put my 2 cents in here.

At one time I was involved in the campaign to get a countdown rule in UKC. I could not understand why anyone would be against it, but as the years went by I saw a change in the dogs that were being hunted in the hunts and I began to realize what was happening.

Back in the day,( 70s 80s in my case)If you hunted with a sure nuff coondog that was a big winner, it was gonna be a top notch track dog that could take a track away from the pack and tree the coon. If you wanted to have a winner, you needed to breed a better track dog.

Somewhere along the way folks found it a lot easier to breed and train dogs that wouldn't compete with other dogs for the same coon. They could win with a dog that was always alone. It didn't even need to be able to run a track.If it would fly around and bush easy coon and if you could get it to run its mouth while doing it, it was a winner and winners get bred to.

Then they figured out how to change a few rules like the babbling rule. Id sure like to pee in that guys coffee.
And with 125 first tree and the countdown in other orgs.,no one wants to have a dog that will compete with another dog for the same coon for fear they will draw a real track dog.

Sure you will get beat by a dog that rattles its mouth and just runs around covering dogs, but not very often. If you do youd better reevaluate what your leading.I don't see anything but more of a downhill trend in our dogs tracking abilitys with a countdown.

When was the last time you saw a real top notch track dog?
Don't be blind to the fact the nitehunt rules directly effect the type of dogs you will see in the future.

thanks for reading.

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Great post, Elvis!!!

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I will put my 2 cents in here.

At one time I was involved in the campaign to get a countdown rule in UKC. I could not understand why anyone would be against it, but as the years went by I saw a change in the dogs that were being hunted in the hunts and I began to realize what was happening.

Back in the day,( 70s 80s in my case)If you hunted with a sure nuff coondog that was a big winner, it was gonna be a top notch track dog that could take a track away from the pack and tree the coon. If you wanted to have a winner, you needed to breed a better track dog.

Somewhere along the way folks found it a lot easier to breed and train dogs that wouldn't compete with other dogs for the same coon. They could win with a dog that was always alone. It didn't even need to be able to run a track.If it would fly around and bush easy coon and if you could get it to run its mouth while doing it, it was a winner and winners get bred to.

Then they figured out how to change a few rules like the babbling rule. Id sure like to pee in that guys coffee.
And with 125 first tree and the countdown in other orgs.,no one wants to have a dog that will compete with another dog for the same coon for fear they will draw a real track dog.

Sure you will get beat by a dog that rattles its mouth and just runs around covering dogs, but not very often. If you do youd better reevaluate what your leading.I don't see anything but more of a downhill trend in our dogs tracking abilitys with a countdown.

When was the last time you saw a real top notch track dog?
Don't be blind to the fact the nitehunt rules directly effect the type of dogs you will see in the future.

thanks for reading.

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Originally posted by elvis
I will put my 2 cents in here.

At one time I was involved in the campaign to get a countdown rule in UKC. I could not understand why anyone would be against it, but as the years went by I saw a change in the dogs that were being hunted in the hunts and I began to realize what was happening.

Back in the day,( 70s 80s in my case)If you hunted with a sure nuff coondog that was a big winner, it was gonna be a top notch track dog that could take a track away from the pack and tree the coon. If you wanted to have a winner, you needed to breed a better track dog.

Somewhere along the way folks found it a lot easier to breed and train dogs that wouldn't compete with other dogs for the same coon. They could win with a dog that was always alone. It didn't even need to be able to run a track.If it would fly around and bush easy coon and if you could get it to run its mouth while doing it, it was a winner and winners get bred to.

Then they figured out how to change a few rules like the babbling rule. Id sure like to pee in that guys coffee.
And with 125 first tree and the countdown in other orgs.,no one wants to have a dog that will compete with another dog for the same coon for fear they will draw a real track dog.

Sure you will get beat by a dog that rattles its mouth and just runs around covering dogs, but not very often. If you do youd better reevaluate what your leading.I don't see anything but more of a downhill trend in our dogs tracking abilitys with a countdown.

When was the last time you saw a real top notch track dog?
Don't be blind to the fact the nitehunt rules directly effect the type of dogs you will see in the future.

thanks for reading.

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Originally posted by elvis
I will put my 2 cents in here.

At one time I was involved in the campaign to get a countdown rule in UKC. I could not understand why anyone would be against it, but as the years went by I saw a change in the dogs that were being hunted in the hunts and I began to realize what was happening.

Back in the day,( 70s 80s in my case)If you hunted with a sure nuff coondog that was a big winner, it was gonna be a top notch track dog that could take a track away from the pack and tree the coon. If you wanted to have a winner, you needed to breed a better track dog.

Somewhere along the way folks found it a lot easier to breed and train dogs that wouldn't compete with other dogs for the same coon. They could win with a dog that was always alone. It didn't even need to be able to run a track.If it would fly around and bush easy coon and if you could get it to run its mouth while doing it, it was a winner and winners get bred to.

Then they figured out how to change a few rules like the babbling rule. Id sure like to pee in that guys coffee.
And with 125 first tree and the countdown in other orgs.,no one wants to have a dog that will compete with another dog for the same coon for fear they will draw a real track dog.

Sure you will get beat by a dog that rattles its mouth and just runs around covering dogs, but not very often. If you do youd better reevaluate what your leading.I don't see anything but more of a downhill trend in our dogs tracking abilitys with a countdown.

When was the last time you saw a real top notch track dog?
Don't be blind to the fact the nitehunt rules directly effect the type of dogs you will see in the future.

thanks for reading.

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I dont care how gooda track dog ya got, dont care if your a comp. hunter or pleasure hunter, if ya live in thick coon the dog that gets in there and pops em up will show ya more coon, thats why they are winners, THEY TREE MORE COON.
I enjoy listenin to a good dog drive a track as much as the next guy, but when ya see 2or3 coon sittin up on the way to trackdrivers tree eventually your gonna question the logic.

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I'll re post mine since it got deleted. 3 min trees, no leash lock, and tree count down.. UKC hunts just drag out to be honest.

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It has nothin to do with track dogs it has to do with a dog that babbles or dogbarks and the real dog takes 150 and the dog coverin late gets 175 its bullcrap when my dog trees every coon on the cast and wins by the skin of his teeth its crap maybe ill just do like some others and get a light broke gator and wont worry bout it!

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A dog can travel a long way in one minute or two minutes. Why should they get any credit whatsoever for hearing dogs treed and me tooing ? I like Ed's suggestion. Think about it. 125 for first tree then ZERO after that. No circle. No minus. No strike points.

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Take the handler factor out of it and let it be about the dogs .

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Rules could be one paragraph, so easy a caveman could read them.

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never competition hunted.. don't even know all the rules to be honest but aren't these competitions about seeing who has the best coondog?? If that's the case it shouldn't be too difficult to figure that out...the dog that trees the most coons first in the allowed time period wins..should be that simple. doesn't seem like there should be much more to it..i don't really see why it matters which dog opens on a certain track first.. obviously the dog that gets to the tree first is the better track dog.

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On a bad night has anybody ever hunted with a top notch layup dog I have owned two they could run a track with anybody's dog a family trait of my dogs Is they don't like to open much behind another dog if they don't have the front end you won't hear them much cost me alot of strike points but on a bad night when coons aren't moving I like an out of nowhere sudden tree dog !!!

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
A dog can travel a long way in one minute or two minutes. Why should they get any credit whatsoever for hearing dogs treed and me tooing ? I like Ed's suggestion. Think about it. 125 for first tree then ZERO after that. No circle. No minus. No strike points.

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Originally posted by RLenhart
There are competitions that pretty much only reward the 1st dog to the tree. They're called FIELD TRIALS. A hunt is a hunt, you need to grade the dog on the whole body of work. IMO

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Can't change strike points now. I have a 100 strike dog.

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But do you think a dog hearing other dogs treed and running to the tree with them is dog work ?

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Originally posted by RLenhart
Yes and no, my dog won't pull from his own if he has something going but if your dog gets one struck or treed before my dog I most certainly do want a piece of what your dog got and there is NOTHING wrong with that. They are pack dogs it's what they're supposed to do. That doesn't mekem a me to dog. This deep and alone stuff some people praise goes to far in my opinion. That's no more of a coon hound than one that works with the pack.

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