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It can go to the other extreme too tho with babbline idiots ya they open on track but even if its obvious you have a hard time minusing them and if you do theres an arguement. so there are rule benders at both ends and no reason to throw a fit about it if they are treeing coon. a dog that is taking last strike all night needs an extra coon to win any way so what .

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it all boils down to honor and honesty and the hunts lack both everyone says coon hunting is dying sport and this is simply not true local hunt draws 6 to 8 dogs yet I can name 16 coon hunters within 10 miles of me and that's way more then there was in the 70's

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I always thought in a nite hunt the object was to tree as many coon in 2hrs. as you can? I never was a big fan wanting to know where the coon was I like to know where the coon is NOW! Who cares if a dog is stone cold silent what does it matter? Go hunt two hours what ever dog trees the most coon in that time wins simple.

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It should be scratched for silent on track if the judge is doin his job it's in the rules

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part of the night hunt is to know were the coon was an have a dog work him to where he is at now.. aint no sport in comp hunts anymore. it is bend rules to get the most wins.. when i get beat by an honest strike dog that trees coons im fine with it cus the best dog won. not a still mouth dog that sneaks up on a coon cuz it keeps its trap shut till it is there.. the whole thing is track an tree. gives coons a sporting chance to cover ground an hear a good chase ...

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an i dont care for a dog that barks every step it takes.. alot of dogs will bark 4 or 5 times soon as you cut them.. i never have an never will strike on that. everybody out here knows what there dog soundslike when it strikes.. except a still mouth dog... an alot of people with still mouth dogs say bout babblers.. how they know there babbling . cuz theres dont open..

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Does it not say in rules consistently silent. Meaning if it opens one one track just 1-2 barks then it's not silent. Consistent would be 8 trees no tracks. Rarely will that happen.

I think it's like this it's as hard to scratch a dog for being silent as it is minus a babbling dog. I hear guys say they would do this or that. I hunt a ton of hunts and I have never seen it done either way.

If one has to cry about getting beat by a silent quarter strike dog when you have three other strike positions open plus tree tells me your dog ain't worth diddly. This pansy tail way of scratching or minus a dog is ridiculous. Get a dog that can compete whether silent or bark every time foot hits the ground and tree more coons than the others in 2 hours and go on with life.

It's about having a coondog. Get one of those and cast get real easy to win. B

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I WOULNT QUESTION THE TYPE DOG U HUNT SO Y U QUESTION MY PREFFERENCE SILENT DOGS HUNT THEY RUN TO CATCH ONLY PROBLEM I CAN SEE U HAVE A ME TO AND THE SILENT HOUND WAS PROBABLY TREE FORE URS EVEN NEW WAT WAS HAPPENIN AND EVEN SILENT DOGS LOCATE THEREFORE OPENING ON TRACK

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i aint questioning what any body hunts.. but everybody that makes excuses an try to say my silent dog opened on track becuz he locates at tree or becuz he barked one time in 600 yrds is not silent.. he is a still mouth dog.. people call every dog that barks on track a babbler. well they aint. they are doing what is supose to b done in a ukc night hunt. they are opening on track ... i comend ukc for being the only registry left where you need plus points to win.. an i agree with all the rules they have.. opening one time in 600 yrds is not opening on track an i can garentee you i will put pincel to a still mouth dog same as a babbler.. you no a babbler cuz u dont drop 5 times in one night on red hot coons..

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I WOULNT QUESTION THE TYPE DOG U HUNT SO Y U QUESTION MY PREFFERENCE SILENT DOGS HUNT THEY RUN TO CATCH ONLY PROBLEM I CAN SEE U HAVE A ME TO AND THE SILENT HOUND WAS PROBABLY TREE FORE URS EVEN NEW WAT WAS HAPPENIN AND EVEN SILENT DOGS LOCATE THEREFORE OPENING ON TRACK

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Shhhhhhhhhh be verwy vewry quiet my dog just stwuck!!

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How can you put a pencil to me if my dog opens on ground one bark? It says in rules that we must strike on or before the third bark. It says NO WHERE IN THE RULE BOOK THAT MY DOG MUST BARK ONE,TWO,TWENTY FIVE,OR 50 BARKS ON THE TRACK. SAYS I MUST STRIKE. HE BARKS ONCE ON GROUND I STRUCK. THAT RULE IS COVERED.
Section 6 under scratching offense LETTER E, SAYS Dog must be continuously silent. When he barked one time on the ground and I struck him he is not continuously silent.

Definition of continuous, UNINTERRUPTED,CONSTANT,NEVER CEASING

Dog opened once it is not continuous because dog broke the sequence.

Pencil me,we will go to the club house on it. No MOH anywhere,in my opinion, that has knowledge of rule book and intellect on what wording means can scratch me if I am on the card struck on the ground one bark can scratch a dog.

UKC YOU ALL ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

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Just to add a little fuel to your fire, so to speak. What if the judge you are referring to, feels your dog babbled when it opened on the ground that one bark. Can the judge then scratch your dog for being silent, LOL???

Just teasing guys, this thread seems to be getting a little huffy. Thought I would try to lighten it up just a little, LOL!

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How do you know you do not strike 5 hot tracks in one night,can you smell what the dog is smelling. I am not trying to be smart,please do not take it that way. I am just saying we protect them dogs as much as we protect the silent or still mouth dog.

We have one minute each cut loose to "ALLOW" the dog to calm down for lack of better phrase. After the minute you must again strike on or before the third bark. This protects the babbler. It is nearly impossible to minus a dog for it.

EXPLAIN TO ME WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT HOW YOU CAN PROVE A DOG IS NOT SMELLING A COON IN A NORMAL NITE HUNT SURROUNDING. ARE WE NOT TURNING THEM LOOSE WHERE COONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE?

I am not taking up for either style of dog. I would just like a clear cut answer. And from the rule book the clear cut answer is hunt them both men.

The rules are put in place to keep every dog in the cast competing as long as possible with the hope of winning so they will come enter again.

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Rocketman,you are right. I think we should minus or scratch the babbling silent mouth dog. Lol.

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Just to add a little fuel to your fire, so to speak. What if the judge you are referring to, feels your dog babbled when it opened on the ground that one bark. Can the judge then scratch your dog for being silent, LOL???

Just teasing guys, this thread seems to be getting a little huffy. Thought I would try to lighten it up just a little, LOL!

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If he a coon treer and you don't want him holler. I like collecting cash more than trophies.

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If he a coon treer and you don't want him holler. I like collecting cash more than trophies.

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if you are cutting loose on 5 hot tracks as soon as u turn loose. you are hunting on turned out cage coon .. were i live in wv coons are then.. it never happens.. as for your other statements. you are intitled to your own opinion. you can bend the rules to fit you however you need . one bark on ground dont consist of a strike an track in my book. period.. you mean to tell me if your dog barks one time an then 600 yrds later trees that he opened on track to get there..

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scratchable ofinces.. section 6 part e,,,,, dogs continuosly silent on track... one bark does not make it a track dog.

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I for one think that it makes for more competition in the hunts having hounds that push tracks differently. I would think that if your able to strike your dog and tree that anybody would welcome you to compete.

Maybe UKC should open some hunts strictly for silent track dogs now that would be something.

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Walkerman I am not trying to argue just going by rules. In your opinion one bark does not make it a track dog. I agree,BUT NO WHERE DOES IT SAY HOW MANY TIMES A DOG MUST BARK. It simply says must open.

I am not bending the rules at all. I am just going by the rules as stated.

Here at my place you don't turn loose on that many hot tracks either. Again,I just going by rules.

TO HAVE BOTH CHANGED TO WAY IT SHOULD BE IT NEEDS TO HAVE A RULE WORDING CHANGE. ONE GUY SAID DOG MUST BARK AT LEAST 3 times. IT MUST HAVE A NUMBER OF BARKS. IF NO NUMBER OF BARKS ONE BARK COUNTS AS OPENING. ON BABBLING HAVE TO PUT A TIME LIMIT OF HOW SOON THEY TREE AFTER THEY STRIKE. IF DONT TREE IN 5 minutes after they strike it was a babble. NEITHER RULE WILL EVER BE WORDED DIFF.

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Looks like we some haters, lol jk come on fellas can't we all get along. I'ts not like a silent dog will get first ,second,or third strike so what's the problem. The dog that opens on the track already has the upper hand. The silent dog is just saving it's vocals for when he or she rolls up on the wood. lol, just messing with you. this is fun.

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I would rather have a silent or tight mouth dog on track, than to have a bark every time its feet move track dog. Some dogs can move a track and babble, but most can't. I do like LISTENING to a GOOD race not a bunch of babbling track dogs. I hunt Treeing Curs and they give me just enough mouth on track to let me know where they are and how the track is, but not to much as to where it takes them all night to tree coon

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we hunt under honor rules yet there is no honor ! page 13 of the advisor definition of OPEN (quote) the word "open" in the nite hunts and coon hunting in general, refers to the action of dogs barking on trail. hounds participating in the night hunts are required to be open trailers, meaning that they bark on trail. and we wonder why hunt attendance is down one of the main reasons is honor no one wants to argue with a man with no honor !

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