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Fisher, I'm really starting to think you're way too smart to be a coonhunter.

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i only hunted with her a little bit but you have described her well from what i saw.
if you do breed her it seems to me you are in the right frame of mind on her strength and weaknesses. the only thing you mentioned that might concern me if i was breeding her is line breeding her with the corky personality. just a observation from outside looking in.

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If I were you and lived in Pa.I'd let LonePine JB do all the homework and breeding then buy a pup off him.It will save you a lot of time and money.Jmo from experience.

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Originally posted by chip johnson
are you saying that the guy that runs his female halfway across the country to breed to the big name stud that he probably never hunted with is a better breeder

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Hunting ability,she has to prove she can be consistent on track and treeing.
Confidence proving by taking a track and working out to the tree.
Breed Standards meet or exceed the standards of a coonhound.I don't want a
Short eared bluntmuzzle hound.
Ability to follow commands either by voice or whistle.

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
i only hunted with her a little bit but you have described her well from what i saw.
if you do breed her it seems to me you are in the right frame of mind on her strength and weaknesses. the only thing you mentioned that might concern me if i was breeding her is line breeding her with the corky personality. just a observation from outside
looking in.

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If I were you and lived in Pa.I'd let LonePine JB do all the homework and breeding then buy a pup off him.It will save you a lot of time and money.Jmo from experience.

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This is a good post with many well thought out answers. I am not a breeder by any means but I have made a few crosses. I try and wait until the female is finished product. I do this because I hate to give them that much time off until they have reached their potential. It may not hurt them but it seems like to me it could delay their progress some.
It sounds like your female is a good prospect for breeding and has some good traits that anyone would like to have. Good Luck

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This is a good post with many well thought out answers. I am not a breeder by any means but I have made a few crosses. I try and wait until the female is finished product. I do this because I hate to give them that much time off until they have reached their potential. It may not hurt them but it seems like to me it could delay their progress some.
It sounds like your female is a good prospect for breeding and has some good traits that anyone would like to have. Good Luck

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Not all crosses work, repeat breeding you might have a little better chance on knowing what coming. I got pup once might of been the best I owen, bought 2 of next repeat, had to push to be common. You will never know till you put it in the hole. Helps to do the homework. Thease dogs are extention of are egos, so might half to sort threw alot BS find the truth.

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I am not a breeder so I am no expert but if I was in your shoes I would wait until she was finished out to breed. I would want to see what she was like and what her traits were to match up with a stud.

In the meantime keep hunting her and enjoy. Study up on bloodlines and do your homework. No rush on this, make sure you and your hound are ready and know exactly what you want to breed her to and why.

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I haven't read every comment so i'm not sure if this general comment has already been said but...

If you have a female that people ask if you're planning on breeding you'll know if you should. Most people want a pup out of a female that they think highly off based off ability. Be sure it's not somebody wanting to breed their own male dog. But if you know you wouldn't have any problem moving the pups from an reputable stud, she's probably brood worthy. However, from what I've seen the puppy market is temporarily flooded, unless she's a real coon dog her self I wouldn't breed her for papers/bloodline reasons... but my advice is worth as much as you gave for it ha

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and i'll also add this.... I had a me too dog that people wanted me to breed because she was pretty as they get and had more mouth than most males... but I believe in breeding independent coon dog x independent coon dog... I ended up just giving her to a boy for a squirrel dog..

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Originally posted by Larry Atherton
I developed my own way to evaluate dogs as breeding stock. It is based on a similar design to what Mr. John Wick printed in his book.

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Originally posted by blackflagginit
after years and years of research.......I finally found a place for wicks book..........in the "smallest" room of my house. the book would get smaller by the day as well.


speaking from just my own opinion........I rate it as the #2 Ponzi scheme in the history of coonhunting. the 1st being a certain tracking system from about 30yrs ago.

I can think of half a dozen people alive I would rather read......and a cpl dozen more who are gone.......when it comes to the title of "coondog guru"

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I think you already know the answer to your question.

I'll stand by my earlier statement, that if you don't want another one just like you have...don't breed it. I have been saying that for years..

But by your description, you like what you have. I have yet to see a "perfect" dog. And if we all waited on the perfect coon hound to breed, if we had the perfect dog, we couldn't find another perfect one to breed it too and they would be as extinct as a tyrannosaurus rex.

The question boils down to would you be satisfied if you bred your female and got a litter of pups that performed, looked, sounded, and acts like your female. If the answer is no, then I would not consider breeding her. If the answer is yes, you could live with that...then by all means, make an informed decision on a sire and raise a litter of pups out of her.

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I think you already know the answer to your question.

I'll stand by my earlier statement, that if you don't want another one just like you have...don't breed it. I have been saying that for years..

But by your description, you like what you have. I have yet to see a "perfect" dog. And if we all waited on the perfect coon hound to breed, if we had the perfect dog, we couldn't find another perfect one to breed it too and they would be as extinct as a tyrannosaurus rex.

The question boils down to would you be satisfied if you bred your female and got a litter of pups that performed, looked, sounded, and acts like your female. If the answer is no, then I would not consider breeding her. If the answer is yes, you could live with that...then by all means, make an informed decision on a sire and raise a litter of pups out of her.

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Another thing you might already know.Dont buy a lot of the stud dog hype on here..Go see some pups for yourself.Some of the top studs are throwing dogs that arnt in the least bit impressive. Just because you would like another dog just like your female don't mean you will get it.Pups maybe more like the sire which could be bad or good.Jmo

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Another thing you might already know.Dont buy a lot of the stud dog hype on here..Go see some pups for yourself.Some of the top studs are throwing dogs that arnt in the least bit impressive. Just because you would like another dog just like your female don't mean you will get it.Pups maybe more like the sire which could be bad or good.Jmo

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I think the intelligence should be the number one thing to consider when breeding ANY dog. They can have all the natural ability in the world but if they don't have the brains to go with that ability then its all wasted. The brains should help with the accuracy issue as well. It also falls in line with the speed or quickness one as well, they have to have the brains to know which way to take the track and know how to move it on out.

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