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If more attention was paid over the years to breeding coondogs instead of colors...

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I really hope that outcrosses will be done for the right reasons.......matching strengths and weaknesses to product a " better" coonhound. That said, if a breeder is going to go that way, they should stay that way. Keep the future pups in the xbreed registry, continue to match traits with all available breeds and produce a line of their own within the xbreed registry. The UKC has removed the negative stigma of having a cross bred dog, you'll be able to prove(through the hunts) that the cross you made is a benefit in the advancement of coonhounds. Good luck to all that try this and hope someday that I (the hunter) will get to reap the fruits of your labors.

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All these predictions about world hunt in five years and them taking over why has it not happens in then other kc if they are so superior

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x-breds.........hunted them most of my life and I liked em and had some good'uns imo. some reproduced some didn't, just the same as the pure dogs [/B]

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my guess is all dogs must be dna'd before long to be allowed to have registered pr offspring

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I hunted other breeds for years and I prefer Blueticks. Hunted Walkers for years and don't care to have them anymore. I personally love the Bluetick Breed and have no reason to dilute it any further. I want a hound to look like a hound and tree dog that trees coons not just trees. The Bluetick breed has come along way and i do not believe or want to give credit to another breed (present day) for helping the breed succeed. Bluetick guys and gals, if they want to win in the big hunts need to get off their backsides to accomplish this. Cross breeding is not the answer. JMO take it for what its worth!

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Yes, and in all the right areas. Faster,easier to train, nose has been maintained, more accurate and easy to trash break. Seen all this occur the last 40 years. Why does winning hunts make em better.. Ability in December thru February when alot of those "winners" are in a kennel is what matters. We are coonHUNTERS...right ???? There are plenty of breeding books out there that explain genetics, some on here need to read em. Better yet just read most of what Guy Ormiston has written in Coonhound Bloodlines over the years... He has written plenty of breeding articles and they are spot on.

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Right on Wayne

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Pat, you have a man crush on dancer, son or Mr Taylor! Which one is it lol

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"The bluetick breed has come along ways"....in what ways and areas? What major hunt have they won?Since Dancer and Son how high have blue dogs placed in world hunts,,,,,,,,, 1 in top 10{piazon}in past 8 years.

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Gonna say again what's already been said it's simple if people don't like em don't breed em or buy em....it's coming so why worry about it take a blue and beat em.......I don't like black and white registered in our blues but it happens and I've just accepted those facts I look at it this way at least we know from the git go these x breeds are what they are an not played off to be something else.

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id hate to breed my blueticks to a walker we would never have a chance to win if ol spot gets too much blue blood in em and starts treein real live coons LOL

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Yes, and in all the right areas. Faster,easier to train, nose has been maintained, more accurate and easy to trash break. Seen all this occur the last 40 years. Why does winning hunts make em better.. Ability in December thru February when alot of those "winners" are in a kennel is what matters. We are coonHUNTERS...right ???? There are plenty of breeding books out there that explain genetics, some on here need to read em. Better yet just read most of what Guy Ormiston has written in Coonhound Bloodlines over the years... He has written plenty of breeding articles and they are spot on.

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I have to agree Wayne. We have consistency with the desired traits here as well. With the main focus on natural ability, nose and sound of a hound. It amazes me how they can be so natural and naturally straight. I also agree with Guy's breeding tactics. Their are a lot of paper champions out their in our breed why in the world would I want to have to sort through more trash. Wayne no comp hunts are held out here in Dec and Jan. Most say it is because of season, but the same people saying it are not out hide hunt neither.

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Ha ultimately you got em from way back when in our stuff and don't want to admit it

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Wayne I have to agree with you. This X-BREED is not coming to help our breeds out at all it's about money. I sure hope the Guys that are going to try some of this x stuff get what they want to hunt. We as true COON HUNTERS will not buy into this if they cant move them they wont breed them. I think if we want to have a world winner all we have to do is Find one of these good handler's out there and reach in deep and hunt him or her 7 nights a week send them to town. I think the cost to win the world for anyone is no less than 13,000 a year Or more. JMO.

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Don't want it? Don't breed it, don't buy it. I hope none of the registry's let the Xbreeds back in even if they are over 80%. If they do that then all this "pure blood" posturing will be moot. At the end of the day the breeder/buyer will have a choice.........do what's right for yourself.

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What is this Hound ?? Cross or Pure -

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is a moot point, not liking what UKC is planning on doing. They are gonna do it. So God Bless who do it and I wish ya all the best... I sincerely doubt it will have a positive impact, but that is MHO.. This is about competing for $ with another KC, not registering and maintaining records of purebreds.. Cause they ain't gonna be purebred no matter how ya spin it. Feed them well, keep fresh water in front of em and hunt hard no matter who their babydaddy is......

Oh for those bringing up hounds of 40 -60 years ago as xbred.. I refer you back to my original post on page one of this thread. YOU HAVE ALL proven my point. They got sick of the culls so they started making single breed crosses and made the nessasary improvements..Thank GOD they did.

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Why keep ranting and worrying about it you say it's about $ and ain't gonna improve anything then there should be no worries at all take ol blue and beat em it's that easy! Or is it?

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[i]Oh for those bringing up hounds of 40 -60 years ago as xbred.. I refer you back to my original post on page one of this thread. YOU HAVE ALL proven my point. They got sick of the culls so they started making single breed crosses and made the nessasary improvements..Thank GOD they did. [/B]

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X-BRED is coming Jan 1
Yes Gentleman, A X-bred category is to be implemented on January 1,2015. This was unveiled at the presidents meeting at Autumn Oaks. Basically the plan is to give the breeder the ability to register all his pups without having to fudge that they meet the breed standards. If you breed B&T to B&T and have 6 pups that meet standards they can be registered B&T but you have 2 pups that are off color they can go into the X-bred category. Realize that this X-bred category just deals with color and nothing else in the breed standards. Also this plan is to give the ability to actually cross breed your dog with one of the 7 established breeds of hounds and have the ability to register the pups as X-bred. It also provides and avenue back to being pure bred after a dog gets back to being at least 80% of the particular breed. For example, B&T to Walker= 50% B&T,Walker. Breed 50% B&T,Walker to B&T= 75% B&T,Walker. Breed 75% B&T,Walker to B&T= 87% B&T,Walker. This 87% B&T,Walker would be able to be registered as a full B&T as long as the ABTCHA has given permission for the registry to be open at that time. Single registration is gone and we were told to hold off with any for the rest of the year. The ABTCHA as well as all other UKC chartered breed organizations will be able to open or close said registry once a year in January. Now for dogs that are currently registered as B&T and don't meet breed standards as applied to color only, once UKC receives notification that a dog is in this category they will make a decision concerning the status of this dog. The dog can be moved to the X-Bred category on a case by case basis. Puppys registered prior to the status change would remain registered B&T. Puppys registered after status change would be registered X-Bred. All X-Bred dogs will be able to participate fully in UKC hunting events. They will not be able to participate in showing events as they are not a breed but a category of dogs. There are still many questions about this change and UKC has committed fully to listen and make changes and improvements as the program evolves. I believe this is at the very least a step in the right direction. It gives the purist the ability to keep his dogs as pure as possible but also give the breeder that wants to mix it up a little an avenue to do so. Also the breed organization has the power to allow or not allow these X-bred dogs into the registry by opening or closing the books. The debates about this dog or that dog meeting breed standards in the color category only can now be put to bed. I for sure don't know all the answers concerning the new program but I will be glad to pass along all questions or concerns that you may have to UKC.

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Now, let me get this strait. Once a hound reaches 85% they can be returned back to the original registery from where they came from, right? In other words, what we would consider a cull could become an X breed. So once they are back to 85%, they can go back into whatever registery they started, and further complicate the problem with culls that we were trying to get rid of in the first place???? People, does this really make sense?
My father hunted mixed breeds when I was growing up because it was a comon thing. He never had much luck with the off spring from those dogs but once and a while one would do good. We have come a long way in all of the breeds, refining them, culling them and straining out many of the bad traits, do we really want to do this?

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The thing is I doubt most will need or want to go back in.....besides let's be realistic to get to 85% it gonna take lots of work dedication and several years so why worry

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