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Originally posted by charterpines
I am sorry to hear that. I hope someone gives you the next truck winer/world champion. I just don't think I will every be that lucky, and that's why I believe in a good breeding program for myself.

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Id actually ask a 1000. Ive always heard. Ask what the stud fee is. So what if only a few get sold. You'll be good. Then you can give me one

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Just cause you blowed $1,000 dollars on a stud fee don't mean the pup buyer should suffer.I payed $175 bucks for my Trackman pup and I'm sure happy with her.People trying to get top dollar for pups won't get my money no matter the stud.I have a lot more respect for a hunter that breeds to make coondogs not money.Pups out of proven reproducing coondogs sell for $300-$400 everyday.Just facts

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Just cause you blowed $1,000 dollars on a stud fee don't mean the pup buyer should suffer.I payed $175 bucks for my Trackman pup and I'm sure happy with her.People trying to get top dollar for pups won't get my money no matter the stud.I have a lot more respect for a hunter that breeds to make coondogs not money.Pups out of proven reproducing coondogs sell for $300-$400 everyday.Just facts

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If she does not have a big litter,, I would just plan on keeping them all for awhile. First, you bred this way for yourself,, so you will want to keep them a little longer to be sure you get the pup you want,, then your now selling 3-6 month old pups,, not 8 weeks old,, big difference in how much you have into them,, 6 month old pup bred right, opening on track some and treeing are worth more than 8 week old pups,, and you have the time you need to look them all over and choose the pup for yourself that you started all this for,,

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I have found that nothing sells pups better than a outstanding FEMALE! stud dogs are way over rated but it does take both to get it done!

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Trackman's stud fee is $1000? I'd do more research before I bred to him. There are tons of better studs out there you can breed to for a fraction of the price. I've been in the woods with tons of trackman dogs and only seen one that would tree coons on a consistent basis. But boy they sure do sound good, and are good to look at!!!! LOL.

But in my opinion, I don't think the stud should dictate how much the pups are worth. When pups start getting over $500 they better be off an exceptional female. And I'm not talking about Joe's GRNT Lassie dog. She needs to be a good one.

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I have paid $500 to $1000 for several pups and culled everyone. The best pups I have ever finished were all given to me with the exception of Timber Jam Jessi who cost me $400 plus another 300 to go get her. But all in all, I can see no correlation between what you pay and what you get. The biggest reason to go cheap is because you have to go through so many to get a world class coondog. People would be very surprised how many Bellar sifts through in a years time but if he wants to, he will come up with a world hunt winner.

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I work way to hard to throw away money to somebody who claims they have a top female.If I got the opportunity to hunt with her it might change my mind.I just raised a litter off what I believe is the best proven blood in this country.Guess I'm an idiot cause I sold them to real coon hunters for $300?Did I make any money?No.Do I care?No.All I know is I wanted two pups of this cross and that's what I got.If you guys can get $500 per pup go for it.Dont tell me there worth it or better than the rest cause I know better.

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wow! some of the prices on here sound good,but i think its easier to sound good. when i try to sell pups its not that way. i find most people don't what to pay alot. gas n dog haulers costs are always something needs consideration as well when buying.
i always breed mine for myself so i have the pups i want to hunt. so if there is more pups to sell that's just the icening on the cake anyway.
i really haven't bought many ,matter a fact i probally got more give to me at starting age then i bought. just like most others on here the free ones have worked out better.
don't throw all ur apples in one basket if you want to compete with mister bellar!

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The thing is they are worth what they worth and that's it. If an owner prices his pups for 800 and doesn't sell any it may just mean the pups are overpriced. If he does sell them for 800 well then they are worth it apparently. Its supply and demand. All depends on how much interest potential buyers have in the owner's female and choice of stud. If a person thinks they can get big numbers for their pups then I say ask a big price and find out if the market is there they will sell.

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sad fact is that there just isn't much demand for pups regardless of the breeding. I don't know about your female or the stud, but pups in general, even out of steller breeding and preformers sales have been lack luster for years and years.


I rarely ever bought a pup. I can only think of 1 atm I ever bought in 30yrs. I shot it. I never raised many pups, just a handful of litters in all these years. I found the process a pain in the %*%.

usualy I bought started dogs that were smarter and more talented then there owners .......that kind is everywhere :P. or sometimes given to me as pups.

in fact the best hound I ever owned in my life, and won the most with (duel grand/world hunt finalist/ect ect) I paid $1100 for as a NTCH with 1 win towards grand. He could sire all grand, though I rarely allowed him to be bred.

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I am not wasting my time reading this entire thread. Even if I did, it wouldn't change the answer to the question. The answer is very simply....what someone is willing to pay. It doesn't matter what one can justify by adding shots, wormer, etc. You can justify until the cows come home but if nobody is willing to pay it, they ain't worth it.

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I am not wasting my time reading this entire thread. Even if I did, it wouldn't change the answer to the question. The answer is very simply....what someone is willing to pay. It doesn't matter what one can justify by adding shots, wormer, etc. You can justify until the cows come home but if nobody is willing to pay it, they ain't worth it.

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All you need now is for the 8 guys in your poll that voted $800 to go ahead and send in their deposits. But it is still a first time cross.

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sell em where you make your money back.

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The expectation of making money or to even recoup costs is where many go wrong. For the vast majority, this is a hobby. Granted, for some it is an expensive hobby and at the end of the day, for anyone to think they are "entitled" to make money because of what they can justify, is faulty thinking. Regardless of the process that is followed from breeding to birth to cash changing hands.....they are only worth what someone is willing to pay. It doesn't matter if you keep them, put wins on them, or make them nite hunt champs..... You can price them at any amount and come up with the slickest pitch you can muster.....but guess what, they are still only worth what someone is willing to pay.

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Exactly.Choosing a proven stud was a good move.People do breed junk dogs everyday.They usually price them for 2 to 300 and get stuck with half the litter cause there junk.Dont base your prices off what everyone else does.Price them for what you would pay or you think there worth and go with it.I had $1,300 bucks in my litter.Superstaked,Performanced and charged $300 each.

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in the 30+ yrs ive coonhunted. there has never been more than 3 or 4 crosses being made or even alive at any given time I would waste time and boot leather on.

the cost of a pup, no matter how high or low, is peanuts compaired to the cost of training, equipment, promoting in hunts, care, ect ect.


purchase price wasn't even something I considered when evaluating a prospect. no matter what it was it amounted to a tiny part of the equation.

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I try to sell my pups reasonably,just had a nice litter and sold them for 300,a lot of people said u could sell them for 500 easy.well I could but I didn't bred to make money,I did it because I thought it was a cross that would put top notch hounds out there.and to me if we just keep raising the price in a few yrs all pups will be a $1000.and I don't want to pay that or have to tell my wife i did.lol or I might be sleepn in the truck with that $1000 dollar pup.( and my female had to have a c section,cost me $1500 rite away and didn't raise the price) I price them at wat I would want to pay if I was buying a pup.

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