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blackdawg
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Yes!

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T Felderman
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Panel or no panel, I will say this. Some trees look completely different in the day than they do at night! Few and far between yes, but some do.

The worst tree I seen scored wrongly last year was in a $KC hunt.

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john Duemmer
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quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Most times the tree scoring isn't a issue of Wether a coon is there or not. Its an issue of being slick or circled and another issue of if the other handlers want to risk it. It will take away the cheats most times. They want minus a tree they know dern well will be circled if a panel sees it and risk having to sit on the sidelines for a while because of it. Using the hunt director format. You already have to put up money for a question. I see no reason why not to take the panel back out just in case. It will hardly ever be done. Just keeps folks more honest.

Very true.. i always wondered about the end result if a panel returns and finds a coon in the tree? If the cast voted minus.
Pretty tough to plus a coon that wasnt found during shinetime, and its hard to stick a guy with circle points with a panel stareing at a coon.

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blackflagginit
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the problem I always saw with the pkc rule.....taking a panel back to the tree.......

most pkc hunts around here couldn't even draw a full cast of dogs let alone enough extra hunters from others to make up a panel.

I can promise you, member of pkc or not (was, am not now) if I ever got a call wanting me to go to a hunt I didn't even attend and then go as part of a panel to score a tree from a cast I wasn't even in.....

the words I would have to say in that phone call wouldn't be pleasant for anyone to hear

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Stevendale
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If u got a dog that trees coons no need to circle or minus trees ? I beat them lest minus cast winning dog every night by just putting one coon on them

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Stevendale
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the ? Should be should Pkc pay money to the winner of a cast with minus points lol get real .

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Bengie Bengala
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I hunt both PKC and UKC, I like them both. But here's a question. Since you don't like to pay out $ to a cast winner with the least minus. How come in PKC guys are winning trucks with scores like 100+ But if you go to a big UKC hunt and don't score at least 1000+ your not even gonna sniff 1st place. (And yes I have seen 1000+ scored legitimately) No one registry is gonna please everyone so I guess it's a good thing that we have more then one with different sets of rules. At least we have choices. I can say this from my own experiences, I have seen less arguing over $$$ then I have over a little yellow piece of paper. I will continue to hunt both. I go to win, but also to have a good time, BS, and see some good dog work. So to get back on the subject, would it hurt to have a pannel process to check a tree that was improperly scored? I don't think so. Would it keep a questionable person a little more honest? I do think so, And as for the real cheaters they'll just find another way to put the screws to you.

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For a few reasons Bengie. One usually in other kc. U gotta beat the dogs you draw head to head before your eliminated. Don't need them big scores. Don't need guides dropping you on feeders all night. And you don't have guys needing to falsify a scorecard. If one thing I like to see is ukc nt. Ch. Or gr. Nt. Cast winners should go back to the woods against each other for the win. Then I bet them scores go down!!!!. Just like the last few years at autumn oaks amazingly the scores got lower that it took to win. Lol.

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LOL!!

I'd like to see some of these "winners" go back and tree their own coon!!

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Re: LOL!!

quote:
Originally posted by prostockpat
I'd like to see some of these "winners" go back and tree their own coon!!

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Stevendale
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Lol T Mac some peps like to just stir the pot congrats look at all the madness

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Tony Dominguez
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I just asked a simple ?, it's easy to keep from using if the trees are scored right! I've only had 1 panel brought back to score a tree in my 5+ years of Pkc hunting & don't think I've been on but 2 cast including the panel ? Where there was a ? On the scorecard. The way to win a truck hunt is to be a consistent winner! Not just score 1,000+ once. It involves a steady month of winning & have the top 5 $ winning hound (3 in open events, 2 in 30$ events) in that month, then be consistent & win 3 cast at the truck hunt against 59 other dogs that was consistent for a month. In my years of competition CoonHunting as long as you have a good strict judge it's normally fair but there are still them cast that you just can't stand to be in & it sucks because I've seen other people's good hounds get cheated out of a win because of 2 buddy's wouldn't do what was right but I guess that's just part of the game

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I am just wondering , what scenarios would you need to take a panel back to show a tree?

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Tony Dominguez
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Majority rule that a tree is circle, slick, or + when it's not.

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quote:
Originally posted by berger
I am just wondering , what scenarios would you need to take a panel back to show a tree?

wanting to + on spider eyes
wanting circle a woodpecker hole
wanting to - a big tree full of leaves

*the buddy system is hard to beat*

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berger
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quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
Majority rule that a tree is circle, slick, or + when it's not.

There must be a lot of crooked handlers in PKC if they are needing panels to go back to the woods!!!

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Bengie Bengala
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They very seldom have to take a pannel to the woods. Tony I get what your saying. You had a simple idea to try and improve the sport and to try to eliminate some of the BS.

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Tony Dominguez
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quote:
Originally posted by berger
There must be a lot of crooked handlers in PKC if they are needing panels to go back to the woods!!!

Incorrect, you don't get to pick the panel. The hunt director does, & then the whole cast have to agree with the panel before they leave to score the tree. It's simple & fair to all hunters & it keeps the not so honest; honest. It's very seldom used but it'd rather have it to use then not have it & need it. Just my opinion

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PKC is to far advanced for some of these hunters.

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K. Singletary
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quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
Incorrect, you don't get to pick the panel. The hunt director does, & then the whole cast have to agree with the panel before they leave to score the tree. It's simple & fair to all hunters & it keeps the not so honest; honest. It's very seldom used but it'd rather have it to use then not have it & need it. Just my opinion

That depends on who is on the panel. If you can get buddies going against you in a cast why do you pretend the same doesn't happen on panels. Everybody at these local hunts know each other, finding a panel that doesn't have some feelings for or against certain cast members is not possible at a local hunt.

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quote:
Originally posted by Talldog1
PKC is to far advanced for some of these hunters.

If they are so advanced why do they need a panel to go to the woods? WAIT let me answer that for you. Maybe because they are such advanced whining, crying, poor losers that they can't accept the panels decision and are such SPORTSMAN like that if rulings aren't in there favor they throw a hissy fit!!!!!!!!!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
then the whole cast have to agree with the panel before they leave to score the tree.

Well that sounds like if you don't like who s on the panel you just don't agree with them until you have the right guys on it to rule in your FAVOR.
YEAH sounds like a real promising CROOKED kennel club!!!!!

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Tony Dominguez
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BOTH parties have to agree!

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K. Singletary
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quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
BOTH parties have to agree!

I have never seen a cast OK the panel. The Hunt Director picks a qualified panel and assigns one panel member the lead position. The cast has no say in who is on the panel.

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quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Not really much difference between circle and delete, circle points are the 4th tie breaker, you could compete for a lifetime and never have circle points matter.

Deleted points never come into play regardless.

I have not read all the posts but a lot of the same guys who hunt UKC hunt PKC and vis versa. I have hunted in PKC and seen these guys be straight as an arrow but in UKC push the rules. I don't really agree with a panel going back to the woods to score a tree but I am man enough to say I may have spoke a little to soon in disagreement with UKC putting a rule like this in place. Thinking back on it that rule may be the reason the guys are so straight in PKC and like to push the rules in UKC. They have nothing to lose. I still don't know how well it would go over with the die hard UKC guys but it may be something to look at.

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