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mmarshall
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I heard that John Queen had a pretty nice female that you might like. I think that you have hunted with her littermate brother and one of her offspring.

after what I seen last night id say her sister is a good one too

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I believe I have one I guess a few other people think so cause they been calling and telling me to post her. she doesn't have a long list of big wins but I don't need them to know what she is. Not saying she would win against the best in the country but she will hold her own in the redbone breed. I haven't had a year yet and I did buy from out behind a barn owned by a hide hunter . Cat was titled by a friend in north Carolina in 4 hunts. she has a above average mouth for a female, strikes good and is open on the ground. if she strikes she will get treed . her best quality,s I think are she hunts hard and at a faster pace than most anything she is hunted with. you can turn her loose by herself and she will go till she trees or you cut her off doesn't need any other dog to get her to hunt!! she is off b3 x hiedi. I know her litter mate sister is pretty tough also the skinny dog owned by derrek metzler. I agree with Richard about reba john queens dog too. I,m no big time comp hunter im just too far from all the big stuff. I can only afford to go to 2 or three trips a year. I do take this seriously and put the time in. I go to the local hunts because that's all there is around here.. so maybe she wont ever be reconized as a top female. the word must be out judging by all the calls and pms ive gotten over the winter from guys trying to buy her though. good luck to all !! Todd

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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I heard that John Queen had a pretty nice female that you might like. I think that you have hunted with her littermate brother and one of her offspring.

Funny, Keith told me yesterday that they might send her up later this year to finish out. Doing all this homework makes me feel like I'm back in school again...

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I was lucky enough to hunt with Rocky, Rat and Spook. I really liked the Spock hound but before I could get a female to him he had a new home out East. The one I which I could have hunted with was Go Man Sam, but what Tom told me when he had him in WI, he was a nice one.

I do believe that you are the one that carry's the "bat bag" when you own the female in a cross and come to the game of producing good coonhounds. And with the blood yours has, you should get a lot of good hits!

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Originally posted by Hoosier Outlaw
Heck if I could find "my Type" of dog....and it wasn't for sale, I would hunt that dog for it's owner and pay that dogs way out of my own pocket....just to give a worthy dog the chance to prove what it can do and that's a fact!

That's what I do already!!!

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Re: Miss Piggy

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Originally posted by JesseBrewin4
Ask around, don't take my word for it. and she can compete still at any big hunt against any of the best of any breed! an she aint dying of ol age. she is the best female I ever hunted with. I said that before I owned her! Come for a hunt, let Piggy tell u, come for a hunt. Females like her are few and very far between. Im not saying shes the best, there are some out there im sure on the same shelf; 'TOP' ! SHe never lost a cast, Im not saying its impossible, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in while! But if by some chance it ever happened. You'll never beat her two nights in a row. That's a fact. SHe is the cream de la cr�me! SHe has been bred one time. But I have plans in the future to breed her to a some studs to get a few good litter out of her. Piggy has an almost unbelievable hunt record , with several scores over a thousand plus points, around 4 0r 5 hunts id day , off the top of my head, in different states across the country. Miss Piggy was trained by Doug Moore, she is out of Woody Brinsons Ranger dog, and Fiddle II ! Piggy is here at my house an I plan on getting couple litters out of her in the future. I haven't picked my studs yet. Il cross that road when I get their. Again don't take my word, ask around. Miss Piggy is still got her Mojo. The reason I have missed her last two cycles was honestly bc I was in jail, her 1st cycle, and the last cycle she had was in this past February we couldn't get to the past Southern Days bc of the snow. I was Snowed in and with over a foot of snow and Id a been drivin through the whole storm to get to the hunt in Cedar Grove NC, the whole way from NJ.Good luck to all the Redbone Fanciers!

Jeese you beat me to the punch line i was gonna post about piggy myself. Piggy is getting older now but shes still a treeing machine and as many times as i hunted over her she never led us wrong. Lets see another female score over 1000 plus points in one drop and win national days in my mind shes the best there ever was one of the straightest dogs you will ever see. I look at it this way if theres coon piggy will put em up fast, accurately and look good doin it absolutely my favorite red dog and if you hunted over her you'd be a fan too

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Supercross females.

I would be looking at supercross females. There should be some Steve-O / Chili females out there on this list.
PeperAnn/CD is reperesented.

Just read down the top reproducers lists and it's funny how the dogs being named on this post seem to have some common link to many of the females and males you find on those listed each month. HMMM

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I know there are a lot of good dogs listed here.....good solid coon dogs that are proven winners in competition. But, where are the ones who can win consistently against the top level competition?
I am looking for the top 5% dogs.....the ones that have the tools and can prove it at that level. The ones who when given the chance....can make deep runs that require cast win after cast win in elimination style hunts where the competition gets stiffer and stiffer as the hunt draws to the final cast.
It is hard to judge a dog on wins in non elimination style hunts because they may get lucky and draw the best guide, but have to compete against dogs that offer little competition. While perhaps much better dogs draw out in other casts and have a poor guide and never see a coon. Unless the winners of each cast have to hunt it off against the winners of the other casts.....its really hard to tell who has the best of the best. You can get an idea, by looking at who consistently gets into those final casts.
Take the Cali female for example....she seems to make some deep runs. The Toadie female of Keith Bowling....she is also a consistent cast winner .....I watched last year as toadie won every cast at the AKC youth world championship to win that with Keith's young son Austin handling her, and then win three more straight casts at national redbone days but come up a little short for overall and had to settle for high opp sex at that hunt.
Is it the fact that most people just prefer to push the male redbones over the females in the bigger hunts and some that could win are not given the chance....or is it that we have very few that can really get the job done at that top level? I know that there are quite a few really good redbone females out there competing in competition...but if they are of the caliber that I am looking for....why are we not seeing them stand out? Jon Henry has no trouble standing out against any breed in the top level money hunts....so it can be done if a redbone has the ability.
So where are the female versions of Jon Henry???
If you have one or know of one that is capable of winning like that if given the chance...I would like to know about it and possibly hunt with it. But let me say again that I know there are a lot of good solid females out there and I am not downing any of them....but I am looking for one of if not the best redbone female competition dog in the country at this time. Chances are...if it isn't the best dog you have ever owned and better night in and night out than almost every dog you have hunted it with....it probably isn't what I am searching for.
If I can find such a female, I would like to know all about it and go hunting with it. If it's for sale, I might buy it, if its not, I might try to buy a pup, or possibly lease it for raising a litter....or, just hunt with it...learn from it and try to figure out why it is what it is. And if the dog isn't getting the chance it deserves to prove it is one of the best redbones ever....maybe myself or someone I am associated with can help you give it that chance....if you would like to see that happen.
If we have dogs in our breed that are as good as some claim....then let's prove it.....to ourselves and to the other breeds, and if we don't....then let's change that and figure out how to produce better and at a higher percentage.
Thank's everyone who has posted information on this thread. I can tell we have alota lot of proud redbone people who have some very good dogs out there. Good luck to all in the coming year.....shane

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Cali is a top dog...some of my team mates have hunted with her so I know a little about her. But she is not what I am looking for.

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Timber Tuff Kay

I feel like she will be something special. Big mouth, big running gear, small package. Not the grittiest but neither is her dad, he is the coon treeingest dog iv seen & do it fast, she looks to be a lot like him only time will tell if she'll be able to turn the heads like him.. She not for sale & can not be bought.

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These are just my thoughts on what your looking for, Shane. From what I've seen over the years and in my own dogs its ALMOST impossible to find exactly what your looking for in any breed. IMO. I'll use my dogs has an example so I don't have to name others. Patty was a consistent coon- tree'er in about any conditions, but not what I would call a high-powered dog.
Jeb was a high-powered dog that dominated a lot of casts by winning some with 2,3 and even over more then 400pts more then any other dog in some casts, but wasn't consistent most times when nights were tough and coon weren't moving good. He could even look down right stupid on nights when coon were just sitting up.
Maggie is a little more consistent then Jeb, but is not what I'd consider a high powered dog either. Allthough she is still capable of looking pretty darn tough some nights and has dominated some casts. Jeb is still the best dog by far out of these 3 GrNt's I've owned.
All said and done my search and yours is the same IMO. I want a CONSISTENT POWERHOUSE. Let me know if you find one because I haven't ever seen one in any breed let alone in Redbones. From what I've seen its more the consistent dogs that get deep in elimination style hunts, but that same consistent dog is exceptable to getting knocked out by a powerhouse on a good night. It just seems to be tough to find consistent winning powerhouses all in one dog.
Do you know of dogs in other breeds that consistently dominate and I mean dominate everything they hunt against ALL the time? I have hunted with some of these BIG-named dogs from other breeds before. I know there are some that are close to fitting the bill, but don't those same dogs only look average on tough nights? Personally I've never seen a dog that just knocked my socks off and that I thought was almost unbeatable. I'm asking you these questions, Shane because I want these answers from someone who looks outside our breed. Not just someone else claiming to have to best. No offense to any dogs listed here either. Their probally better then mine. However when I say powerhouse dogs, I mean a dog that is treeing multiple coon to the other dogs in the casts one coon on a fairly consistent basis and winning a lot of their casts by treeing 1,2 or even 3 more coon then any other dog in that cast. I start to think that breeding for a dog like this isn't possible either sometimes. Plenty of breeders can get consistent winners, but I think the dog I'm speaking here would be a freak of nature. Is it?

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Crack open an issue of pro hound......look at the list of highest all time money winners. Look at dogs who win the super stakes each year. Look at dogs who make gold or platinum champions each year. People don't give up that kind of money easily....you have to beat other top handlers out of that kind of money by having the best dog. If the redbone breed is as good as some people think....and some people who have posted on this thread claim....why are there so few redbones who ever accomplish these titles? How many gold champions ($10k) have ever been redbones? How many silver champions ($4k)? Why has there never been platinum champion ($20k) redbone?
Do many people in this breed really know what kind of a dog it takes to beat dogs who win like some of these dogs do?
I have hunted with this caliber of dog many many times.....and not old ones who are past their prime and no longer have the edge. I have hunted with big time winners during their winning streaks and I saw what they did and how they won and once you see that a few times....it is burned into your memory and you never forget and if your serious about competition hunting.....then that is what you use as your measuring stick from that point on.
This is the type of redbone I am looking for.....not one that is just a good coon dog, not one that is just a grand nite champion, not one who got lucky a time or two and won a breed days or a big hunt determined by who had the highest score because he had the best guide. I am looking for dogs who can win a majority of the casts they are in against these top level dogs who win big hunts and big money on a regular basis.
I have been in this game long enough to know that hunting with a few world champions several years after they were on their hot streaks is not going to give you a fair assessment of that dogs ability level when he was tuned up and at the top of his or her game and was winning big. Dogs get on streaks when they are in their prime and many times they don't last more than a year or two before the dog loses its edge and falls back into the really good but not great category.
Look at a pro hound and find the winner pics of dogs at the big added money hunts over a years time. I promised you will see some of the same dogs over and over and over again. Now look at the big trophy hunts and see how often that happens. You will also see many of the same handlers over and over again as well as certain owners names who always seem to be attached to big winners.
Coincidence???
I know what I think. The last red dog that truly dominated nearly every cast it was entered in and most of those casts were in top level hunts against top level dogs in the north, south, east, and west was Bellar's Get Ahead Little Red....and she was half walker. Had she lived....she would have won a lot more....but what she won in her short life was really amazing because most dogs are lucky to win one of the many big hunts that she won ....and she won big hunt after big hunt against the best of the best.
That is the "type" of redbone I am looking for or something approaching that level. There are many in the walker and English breed like this, even a few in the black and tan breed....but not many in the other breeds....if any and I suspect that we may not have many if any in our breed. Jon Henry might be such a dog....but I would like to see his win streak continue in the north and midwest before I make such a claim. Because that's where the s.s. and the world hunts are usually held. I have seen many a northern dog who can dominate in thick coon look like a rookie in the south and many a southern dominator fail to get the job done when they are brought north. He is probably a coon dog anywhere you drop him....but can he be the best coon dog in a cast of northern top level big winners in the midwest? I hope so, because our breed desperately needs dogs like that. There is another redbone who won a lot last year from the south called Danno. He wins a lot down there in the south west....but seemed to struggle when he made the trip to Illinois last year.doesn't mean he isn't a coon dog....but he wasn't the best when he went up against the best out of his element. When I talk about a top 5% dog....I mean the dogs who win at the top level anywhere you drop them....not just in the south, or the north, or the east or west.
It is really hard to explain the "type" of dog I am trying to describe in this post to people who have never drawn one or hunted with one when they were in their prime and on a winning streak. People always get a picture of the best dog they ever hunted with in their mind....and many times....that dog was not a true top level dog. So I am not sure many people on here understand where I am coming from on this thread because many dogs that have been named on this thread and many have already been tested in competition....more than enough to see that they are not what I consider a top level contender. There are however a few that might be and just have not had the chance to prove it. I may be in touch with the owners of a few to try to arrange a hunt after I narrow down some that interest me after more information hopefully gets posted.

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Shane I know the type of dog you describe

And I would say in the redbone breed you probly could count on one hand how many there is in the country,and the ones there are maybe will not satisfy most because of their not so pure ancestry.

I am curious to know has there ever been a platinum or gold ch in the redbone bred, and if there has been any including silver ch just how pure was their true ancestry.

There is some major issues in the breed itself when it comes to this kinda dog, and the majority of the die hard redbone folks are not willing to do what is necesary to fix it.

What little pkc hunting that I have been involved with it gets serious when dogs are competeing for tickets, added money, state races breed races and such. And when all cards return to club and you get in the final four and the top four go back to the woods to battle out the end results, then the competetion gets real and you better have the kinda dog that you have described.

Very interesting stuff, keep mixing water with water and you get water

Just curious how many reds have been nominated for the 2014 pkc world hunt ?

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Re: Shane I know the type of dog you describe

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Just curious how many reds have been nominated for the 2014 pkc world hunt ?

Boone is and has his hundred. It would be great to have a few redbones in the mix at the big hunt.

Congrats on your win on Saturday as well Larry.

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Re: Re: Shane I know the type of dog you describe

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Boone is and has his hundred.

There you go...
In order to be a Gold or Platinum Champion you have to win a Major Hunt...World, National, S/S, Truck, Pro, etc. You can't do it winning open events. Your dog would be worn out/burn't out by the time you got there.
I know that she is gone but my pick would be "In It To Win It Reba" if she was still around. She was the right "type". I sent in the puppy registration on my next candidate today, "In It To Win It Lil Moose". We mixed "water with water". I hope that we get some more "water".

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I got what u lookin for. shane if somethin don't go wrong . i will let the world see very soon. 12 mo. old. nuff said!!

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josh tetting
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I got one of that nature

But she enjoying life of compition retirement
She proved everything she's needed to prove
Now her job is to fill my freezer full of hides
And help dad get the next generation ready
Her name is grntch ch fch wch ice ages front seat fanny

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Re: Shane I know the type of dog you describe

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
And I would say in the redbone breed you probly could count on one hand how many there is in the country,and the ones there are maybe will not satisfy most because of their not so pure ancestry.

I am curious to know has there ever been a platinum or gold ch in the redbone bred, and if there has been any including silver ch just how pure was their true ancestry.

There is some major issues in the breed itself when it comes to this kinda dog, and the majority of the die hard redbone folks are not willing to do what is necesary to fix it.

What little pkc hunting that I have been involved with it gets serious when dogs are competeing for tickets, added money, state races breed races and such. And when all cards return to club and you get in the final four and the top four go back to the woods to battle out the end results, then the competetion gets real and you better have the kinda dog that you have described.

Very interesting stuff, keep mixing water with water and you get water

Just curious how many reds have been nominated for the 2014 pkc world hunt ?

I absolutely agree that there are probably a handful or less of top redbone females like I am talking about....probably could combine the best males and female redbones and still count on on your fingers with a few left over.
I am not trying to insult anyone by saying this....but if you have not hunted in some pro hunts, truck hunts, super stakes finals, or the top twenty of the UKC or Akc or any other elimination hunt.....then you are going to find it hard to understand just what kind of dogs win at that level and how they do it and what tools they have that consistently get them into those final casts.
I hunt all competition hunts and I like the elimination hunt format best because it allows the best to rise to the top during the hunt and then compete head to head with other cast winners until the best dog comes out on top.
You simply cannot get lucky all the way through four rounds of a pro hunt or the super stakes or the finals of the UKC world hunt. But you can go to many single round hunts and get lucky and get a good guide but have very little competition from other dogs in your cast.....so if you win that whole hunt without ever drawing out with the best competition because they were in another cast....what have you really proven? You may get the false impressionthat because you had the highest score....that you have a better dog than anyone else at that hunt....but you are fooling yourself.
If you hunt through several rounds of a hunt where the next cast each round will consist of dogs who won their cast the round before and the competition gets tougher and tougher as you go....and then your dog wins that final cast....well then you have the right to say you had the best dog at that hunt that weekend and few who know how hard it is to win a hunt like that will ever argue that. When you look at the semi finals of a pro hunt, or super stakes, $kc world championship or the top twenty of ukc world hunt....you are looking at the top 5-10% of competition dogs, ability wise in the country.
Now there are people who only hunt UKC or only hunt $kc....so the best dog in the country might not actually even compete in that registries hunts. But when I look at the best dogs in the country, I don't try to narrow it down to one or two best. If you go to a big elimination hunt once you get down to the final dozen dogs in the event...they are usually all top level dogs who anyone of them can come out the winner of the final cast. If you look in the magazines you will see the same dogs and handlers making the semi finals and finals over and over again....that isn't just luck at that level....its just not. It's also not from cheating or being a slick handler. Its from having a truly outstanding competition coon dog and knowing the rules and knowing the competition your up against. I am not on here trying to promote PKC hunts. I hunt UKC as much as I do PKC and I really like the fact that UKC has adapted many of their larger hunts to a format that requires the top four dogs hunt off in a final cast to crown a winner....but I think they would really attract a whole lot more serious competition hunters if they would have more true elimination hunts from start to finish. The kind where if you win your cast...you advance until there is only one dog left standing....the best dog through the whole hunt.
I proposed year or so ago that we start such a redbone hunt each year....a true elimination event. Two rounds Friday and two Saturday and only one dog who won every round and came out undefeated be crowned the winner....
Most people laughed at that idea and said we don't need such a hunt to identify the best redbones.....but I still think we do.
To me, this is how every breed days should be hunted off to crown a breed champion....but most would rather take the chance that they may get lucky and get a good guide and soft competition and have a couple nice scores and win the whole thing without drawing any real tough competition. But what does it prove when that happens?
If we don't challenge ourselves within our own breed....how can we expect our dogs to rise to the level of the best dogs in the country.
I don't have all the answers to get our breed on equal footing with the other breeds....but i do have ideas and that's what I am working on. Good luck to all those who are doing the same....shane

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Re: I got one of that nature

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Originally posted by josh tetting
But she enjoying life of compition retirement
She proved everything she's needed to prove
Now her job is to fill my freezer full of hides
And help dad get the next generation ready
Her name is grntch ch fch wch ice ages front seat fanny

Josh I think I have a Little Fan, She ran and treed the first coon she ever seen and still doin it

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Re: I got one of that nature

quote:
Originally posted by josh tetting
But she enjoying life of compition retirement
She proved everything she's needed to prove
Now her job is to fill my freezer full of hides
And help dad get the next generation ready
Her name is grntch ch fch wch ice ages front seat fanny

I have never hunted with Fanny so I don't really know much about her.
What makes you feel like she is, or was that type of dog? What measuring stick do you use to assess what your dogs ability level is? I know some people use hunts, some use titles, others compare their dog to the best they know and can hunt against. Just wondering what you use.