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So if I told you that I know of a little female that went to a UKC state hunt, and won a registered 1st place on Friday night in the first cast she had ever hunted in, then went back on Saturday night and won 1st place registered again, then the following weekend went to an RQE and won her cast again, placing second overall in the RQE and finishing to NT CH in three hunts and earning 150 points in the Purina race...then went to the Zones, got a cast win on Friday night, but lost on Saturday night and didn't advance, how can you say that this little female isn't as impressive a dog as the dog that won the World Hunt?

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call and ask randy leanard how much work he put into getting john ready for the world hunt.
call anyone who has won it and ask them the same.

Ive been fortunate to have been around several world champions and know firsthand the work that went into them and it borders on insanity. Are they that much better than the others entered?
Nope, but very very few had the effort put into them to make them the best they could be for this hunt.

oh yea, you don't make any friends winning a world hunt. It seems even some of the friends you thought you had wanna takes shots at you then. Randy is well aware of that im sure.

congrats Randy Leanard and John the Baptist. World Champions.

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I think everybody has been made to believe that being alone and lonely all the times wins hunts sometimes that is the case but me I would rather have a dog that gets A part of everything not being alone and lonely with a coon while the rest of the dogs have scored on 2 coon to me john is my type of dog I want to tree all the coon in the woods not walk by 2 or 3 to get to Mr alone and lonely

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Originally posted by elvis
call and ask randy leanard how much work he put into getting john ready for the world hunt.
call anyone who has won it and ask them the same.

Ive been fortunate to have been around several world champions and know firsthand the work that went into them and it borders on insanity. Are they that much better than the others entered?
Nope, but very very few had the effort put into them to make them the best they could be for this hunt.

oh yea, you don't make any friends winning a world hunt. It seems even some of the friends you thought you had wanna takes shots at you then. Randy is well aware of that im sure.

congrats Randy Leanard and John the Baptist. World Champions.

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That's real good Joe but yes I can tell you that's not as impressive as the world hunt winner. Who actually won 5 in a row with a hunt test thrown in there. With each cast at the world hunt the caliber of dog gets retched up a little. Its not like winning registered cast and i think you know that. I'm qualified to hunt the PKC nationals this year. All I have to do is win 6 cast in a row. It sounds simple enough. This dog I'm hunting has done that and better several times but this will not be a local hunt with the club members I will be hunting against. Its several notches above that.

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We can agree there a world hunt championship is definitely worth noting. I'd think it would take a smidge better than just a decent dog but I've never been there so can't say for certain.

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Originally posted by elvis
call and ask randy leanard how much work he put into getting john ready for the world hunt.
call anyone who has won it and ask them the same.

Ive been fortunate to have been around several world champions and know firsthand the work that went into them and it borders on insanity. Are they that much better than the others entered?
Nope, but very very few had the effort put into them to make them the best they could be for this hunt.

oh yea, you don't make any friends winning a world hunt. It seems even some of the friends you thought you had wanna takes shots at you then. Randy is well aware of that im sure.

congrats Randy Leanard and John the Baptist. World Champions.

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Funny you says this Elvis. I grew up 27 miles from a world champion hound here in Iowa. As a kid I hunted with him and my dad and uncles several times. The two male dogs before his world champion I thought were better and so did he. The dog that one the world could be beat had been beat but the week if the world hunt that year he was ready and handler was ready and rather he got lucky or what he was the better dog that week that night and came out world champion. I hunted with the dog against the dog with one of his grand pups guiding and judged the dog. Was he great? nope! Was he a coondog dang right he was. To me it was their hard work and just Mr. Daniels time to win it. But winning the world hunt was Duke and Terry's biggest curse. After that and listen to people talk you'd think Duke was biggest potlicker there was and Mr. Daniels don't know what coon hound was. Well I've seen first hand Duke was a coon hound and Mr Daniels has forgotten more about hounds than some of us will ever learn in a life time. Jmo.

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I don't think its jealousy at all...

Its people like you Al.....

People that put these dogs on a pedestal. Its human nature to expect the world champion to really be something special, then when you actually hunt with him and he barks like other dogs and (god forbid) makes a mistake like other dogs, that glamor quickly turns to critsism.

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How can you think you have the best coondog in the world when the best dogs are not hunted in competition. I for one am ready to back up my statement. I have 2 dogs in my kennel that I will hunt against the world champion and I know They will win. So lets wait until the leaves fall and we'll see. It sure won't be slick tree, slick tree, slick tree, because thats what most circled trees are. why are competition hunters and ukc so dead set on keeping hunt dates and locations when and where the leaves are still on? Competition dogs are not the same as pleasure dogs and everyone should know that and to every man his own. I do know something about dogs and when a coondog is a "coondog " I've trained and hunted for 50 yrs and have seen them all and heard it all, and yes had a grand nite qualified for the world hunt that as a "coondog " was far from being one.

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Some people look for something negative out of everything. Others wanna argue, just to argue. The point is, these guys put a lot of time and dedication into their hounds, and they deserve credit.

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Some people can't stand the truth. Until these hunts are run when the leaves are off and the trees can be checked for coon and minused, no dog can truly be evaluated. A champion should tree accurately, any dog can keep treeing until they finally get one right. A champion should hunt, strike, run the track correctly, and tree with a coon. Anything wrong with that? I don't blame the dogs, it's they're breeding, and we as hunters are left with buying puppies from this type of dog, and everyone wonders why good track running accurate tree dogs are hard to find. They weren't when I was a young man. Slick treeing dogs were not heard or thought of. It's not the dog's fault, it's the sport of competition that did the damage. That's why people are out there trying to find and advertising that their dogs are from stud dogs from the past.

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This guys put a lot of time and dedication into their dogs and they know in their hearts what kind of dog they have. I'm not talking just about this years winners, but all the guys that enter dogs.

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I wouldn't claim to have a better dog than any dog that id never hunted against or seen cut loose in the woods. I'D TRY TO GET IT TO THE WORLD HUNT if it was good enough in my opinion, and id see. If I only pleasure hunted, I wouldn't worry about it. Cause why would it matter? A lot of guys had good off topic points on here, but the point is...these guys/hounds at least deserve a congratulations. So congratulations to the best dog on that given day.

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I don't think its jealousy at all...

Its people like you Al.....

People that put these dogs on a pedestal. Its human nature to expect the world champion to really be something special, then when you actually hunt with him and he barks like other dogs and (god forbid) makes a mistake like other dogs, that glamor quickly turns to critsism.

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How can you think you have the best coondog in the world when the best dogs are not hunted in competition. I for one am ready to back up my statement. I have 2 dogs in my kennel that I will hunt against the world champion and I know They will win. So lets wait until the leaves fall and we'll see. It sure won't be slick tree, slick tree, slick tree, because thats what most circled trees are. why are competition hunters and ukc so dead set on keeping hunt dates and locations when and where the leaves are still on? Competition dogs are not the same as pleasure dogs and everyone should know that and to every man his own. I do know something about dogs and when a coondog is a "coondog " I've trained and hunted for 50 yrs and have seen them all and heard it all, and yes had a grand nite qualified for the world hunt that as a "coondog " was far from being one.

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It would appear to me, that Mr. Duemmer answered this best... they were the best dog, by the measurement used. Competition hunts are indeed a good measuring stick for a certain set of abilities. Are they the best measuring stick? Perhaps not. Is it the best set of abilities being measured? Not necessarily for some.

BUT... if you ever choose to compete, then you are making an attempt to win, and ultimately achieve what these GrNtCh and World Champions, have achieved. You didn't spend the money and time, because you were board! You didn't do it to donate, as there are many easier ways to do so. You did it to be the best, at what those set of rules say is the best.

If you disagree with those rules, skills, or the process, then fine... don't ever participate! But if you choose to attempt to do what others achieve then respect what they've done... don't diminish it!

Or at least don't use a public forum to do so. Do unto others...

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Alot of guys think their dog wouldn't tree on circle trees in those hunts ... but them dogs are tired , worn down and trying to tree on each other ... it's not like they are rested up and hunting in their backyard ... alot of variables .

That's what makes a dog like Mr Clean so rare ... it's not so much about independence as it is Confidence ... to hunting night after night after night with strange dogs and men .. and still be straight and accurate ... there's only one of those born in every thousand pups and that one pup may not ever get in the right hands.

And hunting with the leaves off .... aint as impressive as with leaves on ..... if you can find coon after coon in the summer , you got a way more accurate dog than one that has to wait til' winter to show you coon.

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